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Louder Sound reprints a 2005 Classic Rock feature on the Iommi/Hughes collaboration that resulted in the Fused album.
The friendship between Tony Iommi and Glenn Hughes goes back more than 50 years – and Iommi even briefly enlisted the former Trapeze/Deep Purple man into Black Sabbath for 1986’s Seventh Star album. In 2005 they joined forces once again for Iommi’s Fused album – a record that both men counted as among their best, as Classic Rock found out when we met up with them in London.
Like most rock stars of a certain age, Tony Iommi and Glenn Hughes wear their sunglasses indoors: Iommi in his familiar opaque purple lenses, Hughes in pale pink-tinted wraparounds. They have a photo session to do after our chat, and both are dressed like men who haven’t carried their own guitar case in decades. They’re both slim, and sporting black jeans that are so ornate that you’d expect to find a coat of arms sewn into them somewhere.
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I never liked Fused.
Lots of useless screams and newmetal sounds.
Too hormonal disc.
October 28th, 2024 at 07:36I love Fused. At first when it came out in 2005 I was somewhat disappointed – to me it didn’t quite capture the same magic as the Dep Sessions 96 had. But…over time, with several more spins of it through the years, I have grown to really love the Fused album. Great riffage by Iommi; and very fine, powerful singing by Hughes in his hard rock mode. Sadly the proposed tour of Fused never got off the ground. Instead, we saw the reincarnation of Dio-fronted Black Sabbath under the moniker “Heaven & Hell”. That itself was great, but….I would have loved to have seen Iommi & Hughes get out on the road together – I imagine it could have been spectacular.
October 28th, 2024 at 13:53I used to not like it too, but the re-release has changed my mind. It’s skillfully done and melodically Glenn’s vocal lines extract the utmost from Iommi’s doomy Nu Metal backings. Not a desert island disc for me, but I can see what they wanted to achieve and I think they did it. It requires a couple of listens to get into it.
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After Iommi has finished an extensive Ozzfest tour in 2006 with Black Sabbath, and Hughes has taken his Soul Mover band (including Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer Chad Smith) through Europe, the two of them intend to take their Fused band, including Kenny Aronoff, out on tour. Surprisingly, Iommi has never toured with anyone except Black Sabbath.
“No, I never have, strangely,” says the man Ozzy Osbourne refers to as Darth Vader. “So this will be the first time. And I feel really good about it, because it’s not under the Sabbath banner and we can play what we want to play – anything.” [He emphasises ‘anything’ with a flourish.] “That includes DEP and the Sabbath stuff we did. We think we’re going to take it to the States first. Or that’s what they tell us. We’re probably looking at November or December for that. You know, it’s been so much fun so far, there’s no reason not to do it.”
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Help me, but the above never happened, right? I’m not aware of Glenn having ever performed live with Tony except
– on the fateful Seventh Star tour (just a few initial gigs before Ray Gillen took over),
– with Heaven & Hell (together with Jorn Lande as co-lead vocalist) commemorating Ronnie Dio after his death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsLSWct6CzI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2bs-OPqnN8
And in both cases Glenn never played bass.
Given Tony’s health condition (he will never again be cancer-free and needs constant treatment), it is now highly unlikely that they will ever tour together playing Fused material. Too bad, it would have been interesting to hear how Glenn’s funky bass and Iommi’s unfunky guitar would have worked together live.
October 28th, 2024 at 14:14It’s garbage. Seventh Star was melodic. This was just Iommi and Hughes trying to sound like 1990s thrash metal. They (Dio and Iommi) tried to do that with Dehumanizer, too, in 1992. That album came out better, though.
October 28th, 2024 at 14:16@1
October 28th, 2024 at 15:36Have to agree with you AndreA.
It does have its moments but yeah useless screams ☺️
But James! There is nothing in the least ‘thrash metal’ in Glenn’s singing on that album. ☝🤓 Not even Iommi’s riffs are thrash, they are “power metal” – Pantera wasn’t a thrash metal band, Metallica initially were. Get those sub-genres right! 😁
Seventh Star was pedestrian and so old-fashioned it almost fell off the stool for geriatric decay. A reactionary album. 😋
October 28th, 2024 at 15:52I rather listen to “Born again” all day long than having listen to shit like Fused.. but hey thats just me..
October 28th, 2024 at 16:06I couldn’t agree more James & well said. Iommi ran out of the recycled riffs by the early 90’s. And that horrible modern day sound he has just doesn’t cut it. The worst guitar tones Iommi has ever had is in the 90’s & especially post 2000’s. Thankfully live in concert in 2007 it was much rawer in it’s delivery. In the studio, no thanks. I do understand why Rick Rubin wanted to go back to the old school guitar amp setup when recording the 13 album. It just wasn’t practical though at that time to want Iommi to suddenly change back to that equipment. But the thought was there & for good reason. That didn’t impress Iommi at all apparently, it sounds a bit comical too, but Rubin’s reasoning made sense in that aspect. Cheers.
October 28th, 2024 at 20:43The remaster of Fused really elevates the album.
October 28th, 2024 at 21:42You darn heathens!
And then that Nordic heks joins in too!!
October 28th, 2024 at 21:59Uwe @9, I have only heard the original version, and to my ears it is still a fine record. At some point in future I’ll get my hands on the remaster and take it for a spin, however my actual opinion of the music on it is already made up….Fused is a very fine record. I don’t hear any problem with any of Tony’s riffage. And I don’t understand all the negativity about it….I would take Glenn Hughes’ performance on Fused, as well as Dep and Seventh Star over sub-standard Ozzy warblings, any day of the week.
October 28th, 2024 at 22:28You can’t really compare the two, Auntie, and if I may quote Glenn: “Everybody makes fun of Ozzy’s monotone singing, but getting it right with that equal emphasis on every note and word plus its sermon-like quality is the hardest thing in the world, at least for me it was”.
The remaster has Glenn’s voice stand out even more. For lack of a better word I say that his vocals were “crafted” around Iommi’s riffs and extracted as much melody from the rifforama as possible, no mean feat.
October 29th, 2024 at 14:30Nice young man Uwe @ 12, oh that Glenn is being his charitable, positive self again – he’s such a nice boy. Never a nasty word for anyone. Yes, I believe one should give Ozzy his due….a vocal stylist who made the most of his limitations!
Oh dear! Glenn’s voice even further up in the new mix! I shudder to think how the pundits may condemn it even more! Personally, I don’t hear any “screams” or “screaming” per se…..I hear Glenn’s vocal gymnastics as accentuating and embellishing his phrasing! I find it most pleasing to my old ears!
October 29th, 2024 at 15:55@10
October 29th, 2024 at 18:57I can’t imagine whom you’re referring to?!🥳
That’s what I love about her, our Auntie Purplette
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoRjHD2-1rTKUKwMf8-HHGgxaCWYFaYxkD2iFBdZMOd1TmKzpanLTf6YLmInFZy-5qW7Q&usqp=CAU
always puts things indefatigably right!
October 29th, 2024 at 23:38“Purceptive” Uwe @15…..you followed the breadcrumbs which I have been dropping along the pathway and have uncovered my true identity!
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/purple-toad–551761391818569747/
October 30th, 2024 at 12:31@16
October 30th, 2024 at 13:54Hello Auntie 👋🏼
Is it ok I call you Auntie?
—> DEEP PURPLE IN FROG !!! <—
Featuring the swampy evergreens ‘Into the Quagmire’, ‘Flight of the Gnat’ & ‘Bloodsucker’ !
(Though it’s a toad, but never mind …)
My kids loved that ‘Dinosaurs’ sitcom, ill-tempered ‘Grandma Ethyl’
https://youtu.be/LmZ_alZlxUg
and mischievous ‘Baby Sinclair’:
https://youtu.be/HNR4hKbSH7I
I got constant comparisons to Daddy/‘Not the Mama’ Earl Sinclair (who to me seemed to be made in the likeness of Ernest Borgnine). 🤣
October 30th, 2024 at 15:11Karin, how can I put this gently: DeeperPurps’/Auntie Purplette’s/Dr Lao’s preferred pronouns are they/their/them.
I know you’re not Catholic, so this probably means very little to you, deeply entrenched Nordic Paganism and all, but it is a bit like The Holy Trinity: Jesus, Godfather & the Holy Spirit – all rolled into one, yet distinctly separate. Or, probably more relatable for you as a Viking outdoors people descendant: ice, water & steam.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/00/2e/28002e0bdca7a1c1e108488059a9da39.gif
Holy Odin!!!
October 30th, 2024 at 22:57Nice young lady Karin @ 17…..yes of course Dear, please call me Auntie! 👵
Clever Uwe @ 18….all amphibian friends are welcome here in the Purple pond! We toads and our frog cousins are all one big happy family. 🐸
And yes, Daddy does indeed appear quite Borgninesque! 😅
October 31st, 2024 at 01:42@19
Thank you so much for adding to my scant knowledge of almost anything 😊
Ohh ok, some kind of trinity!
Well my trinity mainly contains of coffee beans, hot water and milk ☺️ never sugar though, it ruins the lovely bitterness of the coffee 😌
Have a lovely day everybody 👋🏼 💜
October 31st, 2024 at 09:43@20
Awww thanks so much Auntie 🤗
And a big thank you for calling me ‘a young lady’, it has been many many years since I last heard those beguiling words 😄
Lovely to make your acquaintance 💜
October 31st, 2024 at 09:45I liked the album back then, some great solos but I have an issue with Glenn’s voice and that self-indulgent delivery that gets on my nerves. I am not a musician, but he gets on my nerves with his singing.
October 31st, 2024 at 14:58Glenn is a vocal show-off, I came to terms with that a long time ago. He’s certainly not Nick Cave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrxePKps87k
I like that type of “singing” too. Iggy Pop is another favorite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfMfZv7-uY8
Glenn is the other extreme, but I can enjoy him as well. Ultimately, Glenn’s vocal style is not that far removed from all those female soul & funk infused acts where white girls try to sound black and pepper their vocal lines with melismatic embellishments. It can get too much.
November 1st, 2024 at 00:29Charming lady Karin @ 22. Pleased to meet you! I don’t comment here on the Purple pages very often…..usually it’s only when that sweet boy Uwe summons me. I’ll be back!
November 1st, 2024 at 13:35Flash thought: If Glenn were a young adult again today, he would likely apply to one of those fashionable talent/voice shows, win hands down (he has that type of voice which impresses juries and TV audiences) and then get gobbled up by some funky producer team writing bespoke contemporary pop for/with him. No career with Trapeze or Deep Purple.
Ironically, an alternative universe like that would be closer to what he always wanted. I believe he would consider himself more “arrived” today if he were someone like Mick Hucknall of Simply Red or Jay Kay of Jamiroquai than one of the ex-bassists of DP (of whom most people have forgotten or never realized in the first place that we was also the co-lead singer). That is both the foundation of his (limited) fame, but also the albatross around his neck.
I’m waiting for Glenn to do The Masked Singer! Someone should really ask him. 😁
November 1st, 2024 at 15:41@ 26 – ha ha ha ha, indeed the Phantom of the Opera. Cheers.
November 1st, 2024 at 20:42Uwe @26….imagine Glenn Hughes as the British Michael Bolton, mullet and all!!
November 2nd, 2024 at 00:51@25
November 2nd, 2024 at 06:52Can’t wait to hear some of your wisdom’s lessons in here Auntie 🤩
When Glenn wants, he’s not that far away from Michael Bolton …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFc1sHTSlN8
I’d have no issues with it had he opted for a Robert Palmer/Michael Bolton/George Michael career. Actually I sometimes think it would have fit him better. Because if truth be told: Most DP fans even here don’t really “get” Glenn. Not his funky bass playing, not his soul singing, not his songwriting, not what he did with Trapeze or Hughes Thrall. If they are not annoyed, then they are disinterested. It’s not what they signed up for when they bought In Rock.
Glenn is basically squandering his talents to the Purple crowd because funk & soul influences plus jazzy chords are not really what they seek in music. As such, his decision to leave Trapeze and join DP in 1973, while financially viable, was a strategic detour – he should have gone to the States and team up with a like-minded producer and songwriter team there or become a white artist with Motown. And his career has been struggling with that fateful decision ever since – he’s a square peg trying to fit a round hole in the Purple World.
Mk II were a relatively unfunky and unsoulish lot. You can’t blame their fans for not being able to latch onto what Glenn is and does. It was alright if he played a little bass (to most DP fans the least important instrument in the line-up) and sang a little, giving Coverdale’s baritone vocals some falsetto edge, but not more than that please.
November 2nd, 2024 at 21:14@30. Agreed – Glenn has that funky soul aspect in him, but he has a great hard rock sensibility too. His albums with Dario Mollo in Voodoo Hill, Black Country Communion, and with Tony Iommi attest to that. Unfortunately Glenn seems to be the victim of bad timing or of uncommitted bandmates. The Fused project got derailed in 2006 by Iommi’s reunion with Dio in Heaven & Hell. And BCC itself never ever really took flight because JoBo is simply too focused on his own solo career. Dead Daisies was not a bad project but I never saw Glann as being fully engaged in that one….seems he had his eye on getting back with BCC which in retrospect was probably a mistake. Glenn still has talent galore, still has his bass chops and still has “the voice”…..but unfortunately he is still stuck in perpetual journeyman purgatory. Adding insult to injury, he gets very little respect on this particular page – not a lot of love in the room here for Glenn, but for a few of us diehards.
November 3rd, 2024 at 14:16BCC have already once again lost all momentum they had with their most recent album. You wonder why the bothered to record it in the first place if they don‘t have the option to showcase it on at least a handful of gigs.
I think The Dead Daisies made an inordinate amount of room for Glenn‘s singing, bass playing and songwriting, I don‘t know why he felt he had to leave when he did. It‘s not like another BCC album set the world on fire, the Daisies were at least a working and touring outfit. And Doug Aldrich is certainly not a worse guitarslinger than Joe B., I thought Doug was very sympathetic to Glenn‘s songwriting. Plus Lowy‘s rhythm guitar added real raunch.
And that Burn revue he does, much as I liked seeing it three times and how well it is executed, is pure nostalgia. Time for something new.
November 3rd, 2024 at 17:17@ 30 – While I agree in part regarding your sentiments Uwe, I do think the Glenn Hughes opportunity in the USA mid 70’s era needs to be opened up, so to speak. Yes the old drug, booze & debauchery scenario again & believe me I don’t want to mention this at all. It was a big part I would imagine in Hughes ‘putting a nail in his own coffin’ regarding potentially enhancing his possible career in the USA, doing what you have rightfully suggested. I know you are talking Hughes pre DP mainly, but wiping out 20 years of the best part of your life is another way to look at it. We know he appeared to be his own worst enemy as others can be who also fall by that similar fate. He had plenty of time then (after DP) to get his act together one would think, easier said than done though. Of course this is all hypothetical & none of us were there to really see how & why etc. Saying DP people here don’t ‘get’ Hughes is another easy way of laying the problem at another’s feet. People just don’t like it, if that is what you were trying to say. Trying to appease Purple people? It isn’t that from how I see it. It is his personality that gets up people’s gander, whether musicians or fans it seems, it is the way he is. Hughes has still done ok all things considered, sure he isn’t or hasn’t achieved the glorious 1974 cameo ever again, but does someone like Hughes really need that? I have thought for many years he is probably better off being low key in many ways, it could help him attain ‘keeping his feet earthed to the ground’ in many ways. Oh by the way, I have spoken to my violin playing friend about creating a lament for the ever so lonely & almost forgotten bass players out there that have been a part of DP. 31- DeeperPurps – I know I am being a little pedantic re Iommi & Hughes, but at that ‘Fused’ time H&H was only a ‘let’s get together to record a few tracks’ for the Dio era anthology release. I thought it was a little later on (about 12 months or so) in 2006 to 2007 that the Sab guys decided to venture out on the road. I always had the impression the Iommi/Hughes record was only ever going to be just that. A good drummer by the way Kenny Aronoff. I remember him from John Cougar (Mellencamp) & his albums from the 1980’s. They (Iommi & Hughes) could have surely played a few gigs before the H&H thing eventually became a reunion. Probably easier said than done though. Hindsight again eh? Cheers.
November 4th, 2024 at 06:13Alice Cooper was a raging alcoholic who was sent to “dry up” countless times, Eric Clapton was a smack addict, David Bowie so bad a cokehead he almost died from it. They all recovered and got their careers back on track.
Granted, by the time Glenn got back to his feet in the late 80s/early 90s, his addiction hiatus had been a long one, 15 years or so. Still, if from then on he would have catered to a soul/funk/RnB audience (which would have been totally oblivious to his Deep Purple pedigree, just like Ultravox/Midge Ure fans know nothing about his past with Thin Lizzy), he might have reaped eventual benefits from it.
“Saying DP people here don’t ‘get’ Hughes is another easy way of laying the problem at another’s feet. People just don’t like it, if that is what you were trying to say.”
My point was that the things Glenn does well – his micro-timing as a bassist (where Roger plays about ten different rhythmic figures to get him through a DP set, Glenn has more like a hundred at hand) and his vocal style -, they mean relatively little in a Purple universe. Most Purple fans are better acquainted with how Geezer Butler and Gary Thain play(ed) bass than with the styles of James Jamerson, Bootsy Collins and Larry Graham.
As for Glenn’s personality: If I’m honest then DC’s all-too-grand shtick sometimes rubs me the wrong way more than Glenn’s flamboyance which I find more amusing than annoying. He’s not really harming anyone with it, he’s just a loudmouth.
November 4th, 2024 at 16:55Uwe @32, I agree….Dead Daisies was a better vehicle for Glenn than BCC ever was. BCC has turned out to be a colossal tragic, missed opportunity. It was essentially the brainchild of JoBo’s producer Kevin Shirley and I am given to understand that JoBo & the Caveman have rights to the band…so even injecting a replacement guitarist into BCC would no doubt be totally out of the question.
The more I reflect on that whole BCC thing, the more I suspect that it was always simply an outlet for JoBo to display some diversity (drop some famous names (ie): Hughes, Bonham & Sherinian…(ie): “supergroup” into the mix) and reach a different audience; but that his true heart & soul were and always have been, and most probably will forever be as a solo artist. So JoBo gets to make a rock album every so often in order to show off his rock cred, and then discard his empty husk bandmates once he has had his way with them. So once again, as per established pattern….very unfortunate that Glenn flushed the Daisies for yet another faux-revival of BCC and its latest mediocre album.
And yes indeed, Doug Aldrich is a great pairing with Glenn….I saw them play together in 2015….Doug could bring the funk and the rock. Maybe it’s time for Glenn to pursue that option in earnest.
MacGregor @33…..I agree that Glenn’s addictions and behaviour in the 20 year period which should have been his artistic pinnacle, is probably what did the most career damage to him. As for Glenn’s personality however, I try to keep that separate from his musical output / performance….same thing for Blackmore and same thing for Gillan – not the easiest personalities to deal with either. I can have immense respect and awe of certain artists’ talent, but wouldn’t cross the street to say hello to them (not that they would care a whit about me in any case). I try to let an artist’s music stand on its own merits and try to ignore who they are as people. Same thing applies to John Lennon and Ted Nugent….not the warmest, fuzziest artists in the world.
As for the Iommi/Hughes Fused project….from my read of the article, after its release in mid-2005 the intention was for those two to take it out on the road once Iommi had dispensed with Sabbath at Ozzfest 2006. I know that Ozzy/Sabbath did perform at Ozzfest in summer 2005, and then were inducted together in the Rock & Roll Hall of fame in March 2006….so it seems the wheels were still on the Sabbath bus at the point when the Fused album had come out. Something happened though….Ozzy went his own way again and made a solo album in 2006 and Sabbath never ended up playing Ozzfest in July 2006 as planned. But in October 2006, Dio teamed up again with the Sabs and that project morphed into Heaven & Hell. So in this ever moving game of Sabbath musical chairs, somehow poor Glenn got left out in the cold. Very unfortunate, as the power trio of Iommi, Hughes & Aronoff under the Fused moniker might have made a real splash. We’ll never know now though.
November 4th, 2024 at 18:46The less is said about Ted Nugent when he’s not playing guitar the better. But play guitar he can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXq73BP5uv4
November 5th, 2024 at 03:15@ 35 – Thanks for reminding me DeeperPurps of the ‘Ozzfest’ crap at that time. Well past their ‘reunion’ day indeed by then the ‘original ‘ Sabs, or at least three of them being wheeled out for the O$Bourne’s circus. That does paint a different picture in regards to time restraints. In regards to Glenn’s personality, I was referring to other musicians possibly not getting along with him for too long. He seems to not last long in certain projects with other musicians at times. However as you said, either do some other musicians with their way of dealing with other people. That old fine line that often gets mentioned so many times when a band member leaves or is fired, ‘personality or musical differences’. It could very well be something else though, who knows. Cheers.
November 5th, 2024 at 06:08@34
He was? (Alice Cooper I mean)
When did he stop?
In the now very famous (☺️) autobiography by Ian G, he mention they were a drinking band.
November 5th, 2024 at 08:43And somehow he was ‘fresh as a daisy’ every morning after a BD, to the sorrow of the others who had severe headaches and hangovers 😃
Agreed Uwe @36…..indeed Ted could / can play. Unfortuately there are other aspects about him which overshadow his playing.
MacGregor @37…..to add insult to injury, in 2009 while Dio / Sabbath under the Heaven & Hell moniker were enjoying a degree of success and recognition; along comes Ozzy and his law suit, trying to suck up 50% of the Black Sabbath trademark. I suspect that the finer details were lost on Ozzy himself, and that it was Mrs. Oswald who was the primary driver of that nasty piece of work.
Karen @38…..Big Ian’s firing by the other Purples in circa 1989 seems to have been a result of his hard-drinking ways. A certain dark moody guitarist took exception to some of Big Ian’s drinking antics and peruaded / coerced the other members to show Ian the door.
November 5th, 2024 at 14:47Karin, Alice/Vincent was first a “functioning alcoholic” and then a “raging alcoholic” for all of his 70s and most of his 80s career. He was a constant beer drinker (24 cans a day and more), keeping himself as he said “in a permanent high” throughout the day.
Early 80s I saw him in Detroit at Cobo Hall on the Special Forces Tour, I swear I thought he would die on stage any second, at that point he had obviously pretty much stopped eating and lived via alcohol consumption only, just take a look here, he could have played an emaciated concentration camp inmate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuA3mvgFkOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d72gbXr2ZV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7LoKr9EyyI
That just wasn’t alcohol, I think it was cocaine too. His life was hanging by a mere thread. Alice says today that he has zero memory of the early 80s (and the recordings and tours he did then).
He finally cleaned up in the mid 80s, becoming a teetotaler. And did stay clean, good for him.
As regards DP “always being a drinking band” before Tommy Bolin’s advent – I take that from any band that rose to fame in the 70s with a pinch of salt. Status Quo always claimed that too – and then revealed a decade later that Francis Rossi and Rick Parfitt had been coked out of their heads most of the time, Francis Rossi doesn’t have a septum anymore, Parfitt had all these cardiological issues cocaine abusers tend to have. Ken Hensley was cocaine-addicted in Uriah Heep as well (as were Robert Palmer and david Bowie), Gary Thain was a heroin addict, David Byron and John Wetton were raging alcoholics. Half of Thin Lizzy were heroin addicts. So were Steven Tyler and Joe Perry of Aerosmith. Michael Schenker was an alcoholic too, Robert Halford and Ozzy Osbourne as well.
Ritchie Blackmore and Ian Gillan both came down with Hepatitis C in the 70s – that is not a children’s disease, but one you get via sharing a needle or through sexual intercourse with people who do.
And Jon Lord’s Courvoisier consumption in the mid 70s was deemed worrisome by his bandmates. Pancreatic cancer is a disease that very often strikes people who had severe alcohol issues once.
Michael Jackson, Prince and Tom Petty were all painkiller addicts and died because of it – an American disease.
By medical standards, Ritchie too has been a “functioning alcoholic” for most of his adult life. For some reason, his body seems to put up with it. I’ve seen him drunk on stage, he didn’t give the appearance of really having it under control.
A lot of people like to gloss over their drug past or rewrite its history. And of course, there are also people that can dabble with something like heroin for a period and not become psychologically addicted while other people just need one shot to become hooked. Not everyone is an addictive personality. I for one. While I’ve never tried it, I’m sure that I could have taken heroin, perhaps even liked the experience and still not become permanently addicted to it. I did try cocaine twice out of curiosity in the 80s and couldn’t understand what the fuss was about, it held no appeal for me. I never take painkiller medication either – if something hurts, there is a reason for it and I then have it fixed/cured rather than sedated (a very German view, I know). The US wouldn’t have the opioid crisis it has if an “always painfree” life hadn’t been aggressively advocated/marketed and thereby become a cultural expectation. Let’s see if they today at least vote in a way that doesn’t inflict too much pain on the rest of the world!
November 5th, 2024 at 15:36@40
I really had no idea! About AC I mean.
Growing up I read all the German music magazines, and none of that was ever mentioned. It was before Google, a more innocent time 😊
Yeah Prince and Tom Petty, they were on painkillers but I seem to remember something about bad hips (both of them?) and doctors just too eager to hand out opioids 😞
Please don’t laugh at me, but the hepatitis thing regarding Ian G and the other bloke, was said to be a coke-can (Coca Cola that is) that was somehow polluted…. (How should I know? Wasn’t there 😄)
Well the German way suits me perfectly! No need to use a bandaid and cover up the underlying issue!
I don’t know the situation is in Germany but in Denmark there are serious, really serious, problems with school kids consuming large amounts of opioids 🥺 has been uncovered in the Danish media how easy it is to get hold of that poison just by a phone call!
November 5th, 2024 at 21:15And children’s brains are in even greater danger of becoming addicted than grown ups, so not just a phenomenon in the US!
@39
November 5th, 2024 at 21:43Yeah, I read that in the – by now – world famous autobiography by the vocalist of DP!
But I do believe, because Ian G really is honest in everything else he is revealing, he wouldn’t have any problems admitting if he did do drugs.
@ 39 – yes I remember the O$bourne’s attempted take over of Black Sabbath. You know who was livid that for years that the royalties, merchandise etc were allegedly going to Iommi. The only member who had been left with the name. How dare he!!!!!!!!! From what I have read Geezer sold his share after the Born Again fiasco & I think Bill Ward possibly did also at that early 80’s era when he was battling addiction issues, amongst other things. Not sure about Ozzy’s share ever being taken into account at all (oh dear, what happened there). Anyway I read that upon the reunion thing gathering momentum around the 2000’s or after that period Geezer enacted a clause that if the band Black Sabbath ever decided to do something, it has to have his written approval. Good on you Geezer. Bill Ward probably didn’t have any say as to things & we noticed the ‘unsignable contract’ comment from him around the 2012 era in regards to him participating in that get together. Once again things are stuffed up in regards to management & contract issues & the demon from Ozzy’s side swooped down from hell (or should that be up from hell) with all talons grasping at anything they could! Have to love all that cash eh? Cheers.
November 5th, 2024 at 21:46Germany is incredibly restrictive re opioids and pain medication. None of that stuff that is causing all these issues in the US today got by our healthcare authorities (and the opioid producers tried hard), you only get it with a prescription and only in hospitals.
Even if you have had a severe surgery in a hospital and you are in pain, they tell you they will stop giving you “the good stuff” by day three post-surgery – that is around the time when it actually starts to feel good and you’re looking forward to it. 😁 They actually tell you: “We will be taking you off such-and-such tomorrow, expect pain to then increase as we switch you to lighter painkillers.” You need to be in the palliative stage of a disease to receive it for a longer period and even then they don’t swamp you with it. Relatives begging on hospital floors for stronger painkiller medication for their loved ones in a palliative stage are nothing unusual in Germany, and a lot of doctors are very reluctant.
Contrary to what drug producers habitually claim, there is no such thing as a strong painkiller that is not addictive.
Sure Prince and Tom Petty had hip and knee issues – that is what hip and knee replacement surgeries are for (I know what I’m talking about, I had my right knee joint replaced several years ago). Glenn Hughes has replaced knees, Paul Stanley has had hip surgery (those seven inch platforms …). If it’s broken, get it repaired and don’t fiddle with the pain.
November 6th, 2024 at 03:13“Growing up I read all the German music magazines, and none of that was ever mentioned.”
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😂 Right, and they never mentioned Sweet’s and Led Zep’s underage groupies either
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and none of the Bay City Rollers actually drank alcohol, they just had a glass of milk before going on stage, always.
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Sure thing. Whitney Houston was totally drug-free too as were Depeche Mode and Duran Duran …
November 6th, 2024 at 03:48Well, the magazines I read in the 70s did not mention these things 😅
November 6th, 2024 at 07:27I guess they were called Bravo…
@ 41 @ 40
This being trhe medical forum it seems to have become – due to the age of the contributors I seem to believe – I may add that the “german way” has its limitations too. I once suffered from very serious back issues that made it almost impossible for me to leave my bed for month. After consulting literally dozens of doctores I found remedy at last. There was one doctor that gave me the good stuff and told me to use it as much as needed, not worry about kidneys, addicttion and other side effects and start doing exercises I never could have done without them. (I mean it took me half an hour to get to the restroom back then…) He had my health (kidneys, liver, heart and stuff) monitored throughout and promised that after a couple of months in exercising I would be fine. And so it was. I gained a new life, kicked the medication, suffered from a decent turkey for a couple of days – and never had those issues again. Sometimes it can be wise to kill the pain. Same goes for a headache before it turns into a migraine.
When it comes to those drinking habits of the likes of RB and IG … I think for this generation and the one before them it was pretty usual to drink amounts that by today#s standards are absolutelly unbelieveable. The dads did it, the uncles did it, you know pub culture and all… still this is a generation that lives up to be 90 or even 100 years old today. Fuel by drinks, ciggies and meat. Of couse, I know I know… a lot of them didn’t make it. But a lot did. BTW: The woman that lived to be 122 yo – that makes her the oldest human ever – was a smoker and used to have a glass of port after lunch. Go figure.
November 6th, 2024 at 09:19@47
Aww Max I’m so sorry you have had such a terrible experience 🥺 but am really happy you succeeded 🤗🩷
I just have to say that not everyone can kick off strong addictive medication.
Unfortunately some people have a body and mind that crave the stuff the rest of their lives, even if they succeed to kick it of. They will still have a longing inside.
I’m tremendously happy you are such a strong person and that you could keep on exercising 🙌🏼 well done, very well done 👏🏼
You’re completely right about the society’s pressure to be addictive to alcohol or stronger substances. I had an uncle who smoked all his life and he got really really old, and didn’t have any illnesses.
November 6th, 2024 at 12:59On the other hand I had an aunt who were a health freak and she died of cancer quite young actually.
But that’s not to say that it’s better to use substances of a devious origin than to be more healthy in your choices 😄
I don’t think that a glass of port daily, especially after lunch, can ever be regarded an issue. Good for the lady. But Alice Cooper sustaining a “permanent high” was. I drink alcohol 🍷 for taste all the time (= three to four times a week and always in combination with dinner), but not as a problem solver or to be in a certain state. Even though today, following US election results, I should perhaps start drinking on a more steady basis. 😑
Max, I have people in my family who are pain patients/continuous headaches sufferers and of course pain can become chronic. I also suffered from a renal colic a couple of years ago and with that pain opioids was the only thing that worked during the two days it was acute. So I don’t question their place in medicine. But fentanyl consumption in the US has long left any medically responsible realm.
November 6th, 2024 at 14:18Thank you for your kind words, Karin. Yes I got lucky. I guess it’s not about the drugs, it’s about the person. A lot of people – me included – tried this, tried that out of curiosity and that was just that. Did it once or twice and let it be. If you set your mind on it itcan be done. I have heard from people who should know that there is stuff today that gets you addicted with the blink of an eye. That definitelly was not the case with heroin, cocain or LSD. A lot of people could hop on and off that trips as they pleased. With crack things began to go downwards fast.
November 7th, 2024 at 16:44And of course you are right about the states, Uwe. I was shocked to learn what I could get there in any drugstore. Being a liberal to the core I used to believe adults should be able to buy whatever they please, be it guns or drugs … but the way things are going in the US really makes me rethink.
“Agreed Uwe @36…..indeed Ted could / can play. Unfortuately there are other aspects about him which overshadow his playing.”
That is an understatement if there ever was one, Auntie: ALL other aspects blank his (inherently groovy) playing out! God gave him hands to play guitar and forgot everything else. Tragic.
Even if you think hunting predators is ok (which it can be under the right circumstances), Nugent perversely getting off on shooting a bear with a bow (@01:40) is stomach-turning and plain sick.
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November 8th, 2024 at 21:22Dear boy Uwe @ 51, yes indeed I wish Troubled Ted would put away his nasty toys and try to place nicely in the sandbox with all creatures of God. Troubled Ted should just stick to the music.
November 10th, 2024 at 18:07The ole camouflage wear-toting ‘war hero’, royalties withholding band leader, ‘giving-two-kids-up-for-adoption’ (in hindsight: probably better for both of them) ‘role model parent’ and selfless ‘legal guardian’ of Hawaiian underage girls whose wang dang sweet poontang he was after. All so very appetizing, a well-rounded character.
But I saw him live in 1977 with the classic Derek St. Holmes (great singer), Rob Grange and Clifford Davies (both: great rhythm section) line-up and what can I say: It kicketh the proverbial butt !!!
November 12th, 2024 at 19:27