The last band standing
Another review of the November 6th London gig, this time courtesy of Brighton and Hove News:
Cometh the hour, cometh the band. After an introductory blast of ‘Mars’ from ‘The Planets Suite’ by Gustav Holst, Deep Purple take the stage and go straight into the classic ‘Highway Star’. Guitarist Simon McBride impresses from the off. I’d heard good reports about him. I’m pleased that they appear to be accurate. Ian Paice isn’t using a drum riser, which is very unusual. We’re given an early warning that tonight isn’t going to be a nostalgia fest by the second song ‘A Bit On The Side’, which is from the current album ‘=1’. However, Purple have such an illustrious back catalogue that it clearly can’t be ignored, so we get ‘Into The Fire’ from 1970’s ‘Deep Purple In Rock’ album third song in. Ian Gillan is in fine voice. Obviously he doesn’t sound like he did in his twenties. The screams aren’t quite so high as back then, but his voice is still strong and his pitch is excellent.
Read more in Brighton and Hove News.
Alles ist gut.
November 10th, 2024 at 23:13I love that bespectacled Ian is NOT using a drum riser. Always thought that cool and nonchalant.
Ian and Roger have been playing together for half a century – I don‘t think they need eye contact anymore to know/anticipate what the other guy is doing, but both of them on the “ground floor“ shows a nice communal spirit. Paicey sits in the music rather than above and behind it.
November 11th, 2024 at 04:29Just how big is Paicey’s drum set there, anyway? LOL!
November 11th, 2024 at 14:45Uwe@ 1,
Yes. And alles ist gut, or will be, here in The US beginning last Tuesday, November 5th!
No need for me to sprint through my Portable Door. ;>
Peace,
November 11th, 2024 at 20:05Ted
Don’t believe the rumors, John, SIZE DOES MATTER !!!
November 11th, 2024 at 22:07Ha ha ha, yes Don Airey looks like he is keeping an eye on that drum kit, especially that bass drum as it lurks ever so close & looms even larger.
November 12th, 2024 at 07:38Ted the Republican @4: While I can‘t share them, I‘m happy for your feelings! And there is one good thing about it: It was democracy at work with a clearcut result and all the “the electoral system is rigged against us”-mythology is now forever debunked. That’s good for the peace of mind of the whole country.
November 12th, 2024 at 14:41Guys, what does this mean:
November 13th, 2024 at 00:56“Ian Paice isn’t using a drum riser, which is very unusual.”
@3 & 5, what’s this, another John? How is this possible? Maybe I’ll have to change my spelling to Jon, or Johnny.
November 13th, 2024 at 02:58Yes, IP & RG are definitely a finely tuned unit, in perfect step with one another. It’s all about the timing, dont’cha know!.
@8: If you look at most drummers, they are elevated a bit above the rest of the band. Paice is on the floor, at the same levels as the other guys.
Here is a picture from 1993, notice that Paicey is up on a riser here:
https://media.gettyimages.com/id/566776143/photo/deep-purple-performing-at-brixton-academy-london-britain-1993-deep-purple-ian-gillan-jon-lord.jpg?s=612×612&w=gi&k=20&c=_gi4TIJ0evCSC5akdXgNR9qgi0xgQK50UYntIiFXqXg=
Having the drum set straight on the floor is how he was placed back in the 70’s. And of course, it’s one thing less for the crew to setup, giving his tech time to do social media for the band. 🙂
November 13th, 2024 at 07:17@10
November 13th, 2024 at 07:23Thanks Svante 😊
It’s as simple as that then! Ok I thought – well I don’t know what I was imagining but not that 😄
Now here is a drum riser for you, Karin … 😉
https://www.metaldaze.eu/2016/06/dio-live-in-amsterdam-1983.html
November 13th, 2024 at 09:14We can’t have more than one John really, this is oppressive and getting out of hand! I recommend John I, John II or collectively ‘Johns Gang”.
Karin, I am sure that our learned percussionist Svante wanted to add that the drums flat on the stage floor is still and has always been the way most jazz artists do it. I think it has something to do with improvisational communication which Little Ian probably does more than some drummer six feet high on a riser banging away to an in-ear click track and raising his snare hand up into the air with every beat. I can’t stand that type of “Tommy Lee”-drumming (though he was one of the better instrumentalists in Mötley Crüe whenever his adult home video experiments let him).
November 13th, 2024 at 13:46“It’s as simple as that then!”
Karin, when a man explains things, then the whole world in all its intricacies unfolds as simple and logical! 😇
November 13th, 2024 at 15:30Both Johns @9: I’m only trying to be selflessly helpful here as I usually aspire to be, but would it be an idea to differentiate you two better by the appropriate John adding “GACUYWITE30s” to his first name? It’s kinda descriptive I guess.
[GACUYWITE30s of course stands for – you pretty much knew it – ‘good-at-chatting-up-young-women-in-their-early-30s’]
👴📣👩👩🦰👩🦱👩🦳👱♀️💃
November 13th, 2024 at 15:46@12
November 13th, 2024 at 18:24Yeah ok, thanks 😊
And yet another silly question: is that really smart? To place the drums so up high?
I mean isn’t it essential for players in a band to have some kind of non-verbal communication between them?
And for Dio, who certainly wasn’t that tall, it must have been completely impossible.
I’m just asking because all the videos I have seen of DP’s concerts, I find a lot of nods, smiles, laughs even (mostly when R.B. did something nasty and Ian G somehow gave him back) but also in friendly ways when Steve Morse started in the band. And now with SMcB there’s a lot of friendly banter 😊
@13
Aarh, your comment came up after I send that one to Max!
But thanks, you answered my question inadvertently 😊
@14
November 13th, 2024 at 18:29Yes, you’re completely right there my German friend! And do you know why mansplayning always shows up so simple??
(I’ll be GLAD to tell ya 😄)
Max sent you a random picture from a Geisterbahn at a carnival fair where Ronnie Dio used to tear tickets disguised as an elf,
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTW08N1yp3QOhxMLT3lo1Jr9_1ZfZsZ5AWFSA&s
just ignore Max then, Karin, he’s only trying to confuse you!
“And do you know why mansplaining always shows up so simple??”
Don’t keep me a-waitin’, Karin, I wanna hear it!
November 14th, 2024 at 00:03Karin, placing the drums on a riser is mainly a visual thing so the audience can see the drummer better (though it might also help that some of the zzzing of the cymbals spares the poor ears of the bandmates while at the same time they hear the bass drum(s) better).
I have noticed that you were likely never a heavy metal chick, Karin, so Mötley Crüe probably doesn’t mean a whole lot to you, but there are some things you can do with a drum set ONLY if you put it on a riser and then some!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Eo6htO4t8&t=31s
Honorary mention for leading the way as rotating drum sets go (or Herr MacGregor will never speak to me again):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ_SVVWYMUk
And then there is of course always Litte Ian’s ultimate idol Buddy Rich doing somersaults on a drum set …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnkkhYM4Whg
November 14th, 2024 at 01:43Thanks Uwe for the reminder of how ELP wasted millions of dollars really quickly then dismissed the orchestra on tour with them & then tried to recoup the millions continuing with the tour as a three piece. Not my favourite era of ELP I have to say, too overblown (yes even I find certain things in progressive rock too much). Not to worry, as long as Karin watches & enjoys Carl drumming without his shirt on, that could be worth the price of admission alone. Perhaps? In regards to the old Buddy Rich trick of spinning upside down, that is a classic & we have to laugh. Cheers.
November 14th, 2024 at 07:54@20
November 14th, 2024 at 10:34Wait wait wait, who is Carl? And why is he drumming shirtless??
@19
Tell me honestly Uwe! What revealed to you that I’m not a, what did you call it?, a heavy metal 🐥??
@18
November 14th, 2024 at 10:38I do believe you’re way more intelligent than I am, so I do not have to explain anything to you… 😃
how can we ever forget Terry Bozzio & his mega massive drum kit. Chad Wackerman is no slouch either in this video snippet of a drum duet improvisation. Both Zappa alumni of course & Wackerman played with Allan Holdsworth & Men at Work where I witnessed him first in concert 1985 era, then with Holdsworth 2002 era. I do think Bozzio’s kit would have been ‘nailed down’. Cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiP5s51kNJU
November 14th, 2024 at 10:53Drum rising
Here is Cozy doing his 1812 solo in Munich 1977, if you look hard you can see he is being liftet (by a forklift?) during the end of the solo. I think it is a band called Rainbow.
https://youtu.be/7ssSiw-yAuw?t=5281
November 14th, 2024 at 11:22@24
November 14th, 2024 at 14:44Thanks janbl, it is an formidable drum solo 😊
@23
How can that poor man be able to hit all that drums 😄
It’s like this guy here:
https://youtu.be/SwYN7mTi6HM?si=QgCVMrN4Zcr96zdG
As far as I can see Alex van Halen has at least 3 bass drums! I mean I guess he is equipped with the normal pair of feet as the rest of us? So the rest is just for show, or ?
November 14th, 2024 at 14:50Carl is Carl Palmer of Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Asia (the band), liebe Karin. He drums half-naked because he can afford it as a martial arts buff and because wimmin are automatically attracted to it. Most of them that is. Luckily, we have MacGregor here who is always quick and sure-footed in pointing out breaches of proper dress decorum.
Why you were likely not a Heavy Metal chick? I’ve noticed that you don’t really react when Heavy Metal acts are touched upon here: Black Sabbath, Manowar, Judas Priest, KISS, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Rammstein. They seem irrelevant to you and you are slightly bemused by the machismo aspect of it all. Not even Whitesnake or Rainbow (both not really Heavy Metal) seem to register with you. Or Led Zeppelin for that matter (not Heavy Metal either, but like DP Heavy Metal progenitors with some of their songs).
Am I wrong?
Thinking about it, with your penchant for melody (ELO!) I could imagine you liking your fellow Scandinavians GHOST (if their – not really threatening – Grand Guignol/Vaudeville-mock-satanist image is not a turn-off to you).
https://youtu.be/NmxFxBiCrL4
https://youtu.be/vQ7v75GwMlI
https://youtu.be/6oa_nbgE8M8
I’ve written this before, but I find scientifically accurate dividing lines between hard rock, heavy rock and heavy metal difficult to draw and sustain. The boundaries are fluid and they all merge into each other. People don’t like to hear it here, but Purple (and in their wake Rainbow of course) were just as pivotal for the creation of Heavy Metal as Black Sabbath. I hear a lot more DP in acts like Judas Priest, Queensrÿche, Ghost, Accept and Iron Maiden than I hear Black Sabbath. The Sabs it seems to me have chiefly left an imprint on North American heavy metal bands whereas a lot of Euro-Metal goes back to Purple.
November 14th, 2024 at 15:41@27
Emerson, Lake and Palmer you say! Thanks, noted!
Or – maybe the man is really poor and don’t own a shirt 😥
We have to take all possibilities in question before we draw the ‘normal’ conclusion: it’s for the women….
(Ohh listening to ‘Sweet child in time’ from the start in the ‘70s, boy that man could sing like a pure dream and the whole band was so very very good playing 😍) and that was not just an attempt to fill out the empty space on my screen, it was actually meant as a bridge to comment on your “not a heavy metal chick”!
Yes, Supreme Court lawyer, you’re right, I’m not particularly in love with the more heavy music! I do find though that some of the ‘harder’ music is ok, I just don’t relax and find it uplifting and it certainly doesn’t bring joy in my mind.
But the lack of comments from my part could also be a manifestation of my innate reticence. But well, to be honest it isn’t! ☺️
I guess you’re right that Deep Purple started a cascade of harder rock influence, but I can assure you that in my ears there is NOTHING like Rammstein in their music, or Iron Maiden etc! ( I don’t know how the men in Germany exercise, but in Denmark the really heavy weightlifters will only, well lift weights if they can do it to Rammstein, while they make really funny faces (they think look scary but come on!) in the mirrors! 🤣, so that ruins it completely for me!)
Btw: the last video you send a link to is not available 😊
And before any of you sigh, throw your hands in the air and shake your heads because of this ‘NOT heavy metal 🐣, I just wanna say that for me, and I guess that goes for a lot of people, music is the background theme of our lives, the spring in our step on a grey day, and I promise you my dear fellow Highwaystar-readers, that Deep Purple, but also the formidable Ian Gillan in his solo projects, gives my daily life sunshine (gladly pronounced as Liam Gallagher does) and puts a spring in my steps even when it rains! And that is all I ask for from music!
And yes, ELO, and Jeff Lynne (who by the way also is a kind of a smør-tenor, but the good kind ☺️) sure knows how to make a melodi…. And why not?
Now I have a question: do you listen to heavy metal to listen to a melody or do you seek other distractions in the heavy metal?
PS: still no blackbirds here! It’s an awful virus called Usutu that apparently have killed them all 🥺 it’s truly beyond sad 😢
November 14th, 2024 at 20:48@27
November 14th, 2024 at 20:51Sorry, forgot completely to mention Rainbow!
I do like Rainbow, merely because of RB’s wonderful work there, and of course also Roger Glover 😊
I have not heard everything they have ever made, but the tunes I have heard I do like and I would not describe them as heavy either, it’s more pop-rock!
@ 26 – I agree Karin & I also thought that when I first noticed that image many years ago. I would be confused if I sat behind that Terry Bozzio drum kit. I wouldn’t know which drum to hit first…………………….. Seriously it was the 1980’s, excess to the hilt was the name of the game. Guitarists had a plethora of extra guitar necks & effects racks to accommodate their dexterity, keyboard players were stacking & lining up their rigs from the early 70’s actually, blame Grumpy Rick for that. Even Bass guitarists had extra guitar necks & gizmos to convince themselves that they were really important members of an ensemble. I won’t bother mentioning lead vocalists & what they need to hold on to all the time. All I have ever noticed is without it, they seem a little lost at times. Below are just a couple of examples of the experimentation on certain guitars & even keyboards. I have witnessed Chris Squire playing that bass guitar with Yes, it was real & did work very well indeed. A wonderful moment it was. Cheers.
https://guitar.com/news/i-was-faking-it-steve-vai-reveals-he-wasnt-able-to-play-legendary-heart-shaped-guitar/
https://www.tdpri.com/threads/chris-squires-triple-neck-bass-guitar.1103870/
https://www.gettyimages.com.au/photos/rick-wakeman-cape
November 14th, 2024 at 21:13@30
Aha so it was just to show off 😄
https://images.app.goo.gl/hMQLX8Mgx5LAaZca7 <- this picture is not what I really wanted to show you, but I can’t find the right one! But – it’s the same guitar Andy Scott is holding, and on the top neck there is a fake hand holding at some place. Is that for real? Or is he just goofing around ☺️
A triple neck bass guitar! Man I would get completely stressed out 😄
Uwe, as our local bassist here, what do you think of this three neck bass guitar?
Re the last link: and I thought Jon Lord had a lot of keyboards 😄
Thanks MacGregor 😊
November 15th, 2024 at 00:33Apropos butter-tenors:
Brad Delp, the Boston lead singer, well I’m really impressed what he could do with his voice.
Saw on YT that Rick Beato explained (mansplayned perhaps?😉) how there were no tricks at all behind his outpourings.
Rick B has some kind of a machine that can separate the individual instruments and also the voice. It’s pretty overwhelming to hear Brad Delp through that!
What do you guys think: is Boston a proper rock band?
November 15th, 2024 at 00:49And I thought Rick only had so many keyboards so he could – fair enough – place his curry somewhere.
https://norselandsrock.com/when-rick-wakeman-ate-a-curry-during-a-yes-concert/
November 15th, 2024 at 01:54@28
“still no blackbirds here!”
November 15th, 2024 at 07:44Belive it or not, but there are blackbirds singing outside where I work in Frederiksberg, Copenhagen.
I have never heard them in November before.
“Is Boston a proper rock band?”
Not really, unless you would call The Alan Parsons Project, Meatloaf/Jim Steinman or Mike Oldfield proper rock bands/rock artists too. Boston is essentially a Tom Scholz’ studio and songwriting project and the “band” was created to present the whole thing live after the debut became a smash success. I like Boston (just like I appreciate Alan Parsons Project, Meatloaf/Jim Steinman and Mike Oldfield), but a ‘rock band’ like The Rolling Stones, Deep Purple, The Foo Fighters or Status Quo they aren’t. That doesn’t make their music irrelevant, they just don’t qualify for the ‘band’-bracket.
I have all Boston albums, but their output has been diminishing returns for quite a while. Tom Scholz is not the type to reinvent himself, more of a sound creator than a developing artist. From a certain point onward, Scholz (much like Mutt Lange) over-produced the music to death.
Brad Delp, a troubled man, had a tuneful voice with an impressive range, but nothing he (or his successors in the band) sang ever really struck me emotionally. Boston is “Wohlklang”, but somewhat shallow.
You asked!
November 15th, 2024 at 16:14“Uwe, as our local bassist here, what do you think of this three neck bass guitar?”
Depending on the set-up, it can make sense for the right kind of music. For years I’ve had this idea of having a double-neck bass guitar custom-built for myself consisting of a long scale fretless five-string (with a low B) and a short scale fretted four-string with the G and D string doubled with octave strings and using different body and neck woods. I could put it to use, my back allowing!
If you’re playing stadiums with Nickelback though, its use would be limited.
November 15th, 2024 at 16:31@34
November 15th, 2024 at 22:55Jan, that is very good news! 🤩
At the countryside where we live, they sing all year long, every evening have they made me turn down Deep Purple so I could enjoy their performances 😍 unfortunately not now.
But it’s really GOOD news there are some alive some place. Hopefully they will multiply and go west 😃
@35
…yes I asked, and thanks for the answer!
I never ask to get answers I hope for, I ask to hear a sincere opinion!
And if we disagree, well that’s just so much more fun 😄
Now you say it, yeah the music is overproduced! A little bit like the stuff Jeff Lynne makes.
November 15th, 2024 at 23:03It was a young man in my youth who introduced me to Boston, but somehow it really never caught on, and at that time in my life, I had no appreciation for Brad Delp’s voice. Now it’s another story! Really find it beautiful but for some reason I can’t listen for it a long time. It needs the raw lion roar Ian G has.
@36
Well ok you must have me confused me with someone who knows what you’re talking about here, cos’ I don’t! 😉
This: “For years I’ve had this idea of having a double-neck bass guitar custom-built for myself consisting of a long scale fretless five-string (with a low B) and a short scale fretted four-string with the G and D string doubled with octave strings and using different body and neck woods.” – I have absolutely no idea what you mean…
But thanks anyway ☺️
And the comment about Nickelback! I know they are being laughed at from the more serious world of music, I’m not sure why though.
November 15th, 2024 at 23:08@34
November 16th, 2024 at 09:30Hej Jan 😊
Really glad to hear that!
Normally, when they’re alive that is, the blackbirds sing joyfully every evening here at the countryside 🐦⬛
I sincerely hope those in København will multiply and go west ☺️
@35
Hmm 🤔 my comment is missing, but ok admin must have found it extremely boring and mind numbing tedious (yes I know I use two words describing the same, just to make a point!) and I’m sure they’re right!
Just wanted to say this though:
November 16th, 2024 at 09:35Yes Boston was very over-produced! Just like Jeff Lynne is, the mumbler from Birmingham 😉
Karin, as I’m sure you know, the blackbird stops singing in August, and they are good at hiding in the winter. They will come again, I’m sure. I was just surprised to hear it in November.
November 16th, 2024 at 16:14Now I have to find something Deep Purple about birds, otherwise Svante will come after us.
So: “Bird has flown” and “Bird of prey”.
@42
😄 you’re right! I’ve the solution: Lazy sod is about a blackbird’s nest that blocked the chimney! (Phew, we’re saved!)
But you’re not right about they only sing in the warmer period, I promise you, they do sing here almost all year round! Well not if there is snow and subzero temp, but other wise, 🐦⬛🎵🎵!
November 16th, 2024 at 19:15Maybe we live in a sweet spot. I don’t know, but it’s really not unusual to hear blackbirds I November here.
Crows, on the other hand: all year round!
If you’re an earthworm, less blackbirds has its benefits too.
Not all basses have the same neck length (= scale), there are long, short and medium scale basses for example. That affects the tension, feel and sound of the strings, Karin. Most basses are four string, but some are five-string with an extra low B added or eight- or even twelve-string basses where each string is doubled or even tripled with octave strings. Finally most basses are fretted like guitars, the small metal bars on the neck which determine the note, but some basses are fretless like classical bowed instruments where your finger placing has to be very accurate to sound in tune. A multi-neck bass gives you the option to combine all these different features. Capisce?
Not a Nickelback hater, but they are a bit what Grand Funk Railroad used to be, everybody’s preferred punching ball. I think they are ok arena rock, but some of their sexist lyrics are truly inane, as terrible as Rainbow’s All Night Long. If you’re gonna be sexist, be at least funny or inviting about it, the four Canadians (or their songwriter Chad Kroeger to be exact) aren’t:
https://youtu.be/E1VF6OPzX2g
I’m no prude, if you wanna do a song about your blowjob fantasies and call it “Something In Your Mouth”, then by all means do so, but Nickelback are demeaning in their tone. Yuck – that is Bro-(dick)rock in its worst form.
November 17th, 2024 at 15:22@44
Earthworms don’t sing so pretty as blackbirds do!
And I feed the birds in our garden so earthworms are ok secure!
Yes, thanks, I do understand what you mean ☺️
I don’t know Nickelback that well actually! Remember their break-through hit ‘how you remind me’ or something like that. But the vocalist irritates me, his voice I mean. His voice is scratching noise.
November 17th, 2024 at 17:23Just stumbled upon this Boston (Tom Scholz) short historical video. A true artist in many ways was Tom Scholz, turning his back on the dreaded negative ‘fame’ crap, much to fans & no doubt fellow musicians frustrations. Still, he stuck to his guns & was he the first to develop that elusive, home recording that did exude class in it’s delivery. Most likely so & good on him for that. And don’t forget the infamous Rockman guitar gizmo & other effects. I remember my younger brother buying one of those about 42 years go from my memory. Scholz is an electronics whizz & a multi instrumentalist & a very clever individual. It seems that record companies didn’t agree. Good on you Tom. Below is the rather short nine minute video on Scholz & Boston. Cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WeHyDB4JN0
November 17th, 2024 at 22:59The reason Paicy doesn’t like a drumriser is the Sound. They vibrate, unless made of concrete. The low end on a drum riser can be very unstable and mask a lot of the tone. And he is neither pretentious nore does he need to see anyone. They need to see him 😉
November 18th, 2024 at 06:33@47
November 19th, 2024 at 07:35This make sense! And those made of concrete have to make the crew frown a lot!
Thanks MH 😊
Max is on to something here. Paicey prefers very large bass drums live (not in the studio where he chooses smaller ones for recording) because he says nothing can replace the sound of a big bass drum on a large stage. That, however, is a nightmare to sound men because the frequencies emanating from Ian’s “concrete mixer” crawl everywhere and mess up a tidy stage sound. Not having that monster on a riser probably contains some of the damage.
If you stand real close to the stage at a DP gig, you can actually still hear the pure unamplified might of his bass drum. Paicey’s left foot is a nimble bass drum pedal operator, but the sound of that thing is earthquaky.
November 19th, 2024 at 15:40The concrete risers are all in Jylland, liebe Karin. Leftovers from the last Rammstein gig.
https://res.cloudinary.com/feriehuse/image/upload/f_auto,w_950,h_575,x_0,y_0,c_fill/media/l25pql24/bangsbo-fort-060.jpg
November 20th, 2024 at 03:13@50
November 20th, 2024 at 08:48Yeah, I know!
One of our favourites spots to visit at the west coast of Jylland, has a very well preserved edition!
I haven’t seen any drummer on top of it, yet….
Paice & Bonham both had the Ludwig 26 inch bass drum during the 70’s. Now a Pearl of course for Ian. He loves that big sound & why not. Just don’t try to take it away from him. @ 1 minute 13 on this rig rundown or whatever we call may it. Cheers. Uwe, Bonzo would be spinning hearing you call his bass drum a ‘concrete mixer’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6PF2ZQs9yg&t=151s
November 20th, 2024 at 09:21Paice & Bonham both had the Ludwig 26 inch bass drum during the 70’s. Since the early 80’s a Pearl drum kit for Ian. He loves that big sound & why not. Just don’t try to take it away from him. @ 1 minute 13 on this rig rundown or whatever we call may it. Cheers. Uwe, Bonzo would be spinning hearing you call his bass drum a ‘concrete mixer’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6PF2ZQs9yg&t=151s
November 20th, 2024 at 09:34