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Roger’s tumulous and rapid year
Roger Glover has posted an end-of-the-year message on his website, plus some photographic moments from 2008 and a new batch of fan pictures from meet&greets around the world.
Of particular note, he has been digging his tape archives in search of bonus material for a Perfect Strangers reissue planned for the next year. That’s right, folks, the reunion turns 25 in 2009.
Unauthorized copying, while sometimes necessary, is never as good as the real thing
Great news, nice to see Roger’s archive storage.
December 22nd, 2008 at 01:14The thing I’d encourage Rog to do is make it interactive with the inclusion of film footage, particularly Under The Gun and/or Son Of Alerik, which was filmed live as it happened in the studio.(parts of Under The Gun were also obviously being filmed as it was being recorded, and I suppose that’s how the clip came together) But if video is involved, please no common stuff, just the personal rare pieces that we all know do exist but have never been seen by the fans.
Also,
There was supposed to be “Promo Video” produced during the making of the Perfect Strangers Album that never made it to surface as far as I know. It was supposed to be a ‘Documentary’, containing footage of the band playing soccer and in the studio during the reunion period. Small portions of it were used for the “Perfect Strangers” song video, but there was supposed to be an actual separate video of all that was supposed to be well documented during the ‘Reunion’……
Also,
I think we are skipping past “Come Taste the Band” here…..
I think that one follows “Stormbringer”. Glenn Hughes should have put his efforts toward that one instead of wasting his time ‘Remixing’ Stormbringer…..Tommy Bolin was his “Soulmate” as he likes to put it…..surely he has something to offer on Come Taste the Band other than a ‘Remixed, Rehashed version’.
Cheers
December 22nd, 2008 at 01:31Roger was going to take part in Burn but backed out because of pretty obvious reasons, so it is what it is concerning anniversary CD’s.
December 22nd, 2008 at 05:15The reunion footage you’re talking about Terry, you’re right, it was scheduled to be undertaken between 87 and 88 for a documentary, I remember Ian Paice talking about it, but things went bad concerning Gillan and it never happened, they turned around and gave us the “POHM” piece of tease instead, true story, but that reunion footage is still in Bruce’s hands and together with Drew Thompson hopefully we will see something in the way of it, but then again, they might find the footage to be dated and uninteresting by now. We’ll see…
Wow, time for the official release of the very rare “RIJIR” inntrumental, which was recorded during the “Perfect Strangers” Sessions.
*joke on*
Maybe Ian Paice will find the time to re-record the drum-parts. On PS are the worst drums ian ever played….
Oooh, the newmix should be awesome then….
*joke off*
Karl-Heinz
December 22nd, 2008 at 07:29POHM?
December 22nd, 2008 at 13:50Maybe Roger can make a loop remix of Son Of Alerik so that I can listen to it all day long.
December 22nd, 2008 at 15:52lol!
December 22nd, 2008 at 18:30It has been another fun year discussing my favorite band with everyone. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to; stefan, stoffer, Tracy Heyder aka Zero the Hero, Sami, Crimson Ghost, purplepriest1965, Patrick, T, Rascal, AndreA, Roberto, George, and everyone else on this site! I’m off for a nap, before I start an 11 day stretch at work 🙁
December 22nd, 2008 at 18:36Priest:….Pioneers of Heavy Metal. A video released during the Slaves and Masters days…..with JLT making his now famous statement…..”I’m not interested in singing someone else’s drivel”……Funny, it’s all he seems to do since…..
Cheers
December 22nd, 2008 at 18:50Good point Tracy; I liked Joe Lynn Turner, and the release “Slaves And Masters,” but when I heard that comment, I lost all respect for Mr. Turner!
December 22nd, 2008 at 19:00What did I say to stir up your ANTI JLT obsession?
Mine its not…..
Pioneers of Heavy Metal is crap anyway
A child knows that.
Everyone and everything is full of shit sometimes and so is JLT
December 22nd, 2008 at 22:01Ok……….
It clicks
I only one wine
and I just got back from swimming…..again.
POHM ….Pioneers Of Heavy Metal……ok
That should have been replaced with NP
Nobody s Perfect, a real nightmare for someone who loves MK 2 and saw several great HOBL tour shows
December 22nd, 2008 at 22:04SEVEN-47
December 22nd, 2008 at 23:35Merry X-mas and HNY to you also, 11 days straight at work doesn’t sound like much to be merry about but I hope it goes by fast (always enjoy your comments on DP)
Thanks stoffer; good thing I love my job. I will be listening to Mark I when I’m driving around 12/24 & 12/25! VERY CALMING!
December 23rd, 2008 at 00:39Priest, get around to a copy of the SBD version of Irvine, CA 1987.
Now this is a show that blows that album away, they used a couple of tracks for NP but I forget which of the two nights it is and whether or not those are the tracks from this same night.
I was at both gigs as well… easily one of the best reunion era recordings in circulation. If it weren’t cut in a couple of spots there’d be little excuse for not releasing it, I’m talking quality here enough to make you forget about NP and free that frustration.
Merry Christmas to all, even Carole Stevens sent me a treat, and I thought she was incapable of feelings. lol!
December 23rd, 2008 at 00:44This is kind of off topic … actually it’s WAY off topic! On the Blackmore’s Night web-site there is a reference to Happy News for TMIB about a Lawsuit against his former DP managers. Is this about the Machine Head Cover omission or something else? Crimson Ghost, you seem to have a firm grasp on the pulse of all things ”Purple” current & past, any idea? Thanks,Drdp
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:45@ 15
Curious day this is already.
And now this SBD suggestion. Does that mean SoundboardDesk or something?
Thanx anyway.
Now how to get it……
I ve never been one doing much with the bootlegcircuit, which is a shame ofcourse.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:211987-05-23, Irvine Meadows, Los Angeles (SBD)
– others wondeful bootlegs:
-argentina 2005 radio recording
December 23rd, 2008 at 13:14-pistoia 1999
-bucharest 1998
Merry Christmas, ladies & playboys…it’s been a pleasure,
as allways.
Seven-47 : be careful out there.
December 23rd, 2008 at 13:56Bucharest 98, very good show, but there are literally thousands where that came from, if only they were all great quality, you have to sift through them for the real gems, unfortunately.
@Drdp: Apparently the suit started way back for what I don’t know, but I’m told it originally started having something to do with them putting out material on the Anniversary editions that they all agreed would not go on the albums when they recorded them, and he was steamed about it but it wouldn’t have been cost effective for him to sue, as they sold pretty well and he would be cutting his own throat. Then came the two bootleg series box sets, and I believe that’s when he filed a suit, although Roger says he spent his royalty checks before filing, but in the meantime he demanded they not include him in any current merchandise sales and that’s when Bruce got clever and pulled the t-shirt stunt, but Ritchie totally asked for it… then next thing you know, Ritchie and Tony Edwards who popped back into his life start crying blasphemy. Personally I think the t-shirt stunt was done in poor taste, I’ll never buy one. The t-shirt story didn’t even break till a year after I saw them on merch stands in early 2004, so it was basically old news by the time the story was out. They really know how to keep the drama factors flowing, it’s part of their strategy as a business it seems.
But why Carole mentions it with no details is also in poor taste, and she also said ‘former DP management,’ and if that really is the case, then it might have something to do with the five million or so that Purple were supposedly seeking from John Coletta’s estate.
That’s all I suspect at this point, we’ll have to see, but I can almost guarantee it’s the reason Gillan won’t lay off Ritchie in the press, regardless of what people think is really the case, as so many leap to the conclusion that they can’t shake his ghost and continue to defraud the Purple legacy by playing what they call ‘his’ music, and continue to try and use that activity to claim moral victory over him.
(Peyton Place Purple, lol)
Priest:
December 23rd, 2008 at 14:00Yes, sounboard is correct.
Distribution is done by mail or download, no money ever involved except postage. I can be reached via PM in the THS forum, among other outlets.
I have the bucharest show in very good sound quality…
I love to talk about bootlegs and rate them…
Crimson give me your deep purple bootlegs top list and Gillan too…
my top Gillan bootleg list is:
barbarella’s birminghan 1978
monster of rock 1979
munchen 1991
bucharets 1992
for Deep purple I will add the one with satriani sbd: o6/26/1994 st.gallen
December 23rd, 2008 at 19:04Wow..these are some really interesting comments! You guys know your stuff!!
I have been hoping for years that the footage from the Deep Purple aborted Documentary (or whatever it’s called) would be released. Can’t imagine it ever will be though. Also “Purplepriest” REALLY knows his stuff as I consider “Son of Alerik” to be one of the greatest slices of music they ever did. It embodies all that is great about that era of Deep Puprle. There’s another called “Cosmic Jazz” which was cool too. I wish they would do an anniversary edition of PERFECT STRANGERS and include those…maybe wipe the heavy processing/reverb too, but I doubt that would ever happen.
I know it’s easy to bash Ritchie about his reaction to the “Machine Head Anniversary Edition” but those alternate solos were clearly NOT keepers.
* Especially on Smoke! I feel Rogers intent was good and in good spirit but when I heard that solo I knew that Blackmore was just feeling it out. I understand Ritchie’s reaction.
How about this for a HOLY GRAIL of Blackmore…remix “Still I’m Sad” from the first Rainbow album as that is just stunning guitar work… and such a poor mix on that one track!
Purplepriest, you are soo right about that horrendous “Nobody’s Perfect”…I got rid of that it was so bad..
Is “RIJIR” a real track? I’d love to hear that..anything from those unreleased moments…I heard there was one called “ALGEIRS” or something??
December 23rd, 2008 at 20:33RIJIR is a real song. Simon Robinson reviewed it years ago. I guess it is blues based.
Also there is complete video footage of Son of Aleric being performed.
December 23rd, 2008 at 20:53@ 20
No serious pun intended here but……
Maybe it would help your readers if you put in some more space inbetween the text?
Thanx for the bootleg advice
You too Roberto
CG
I dont know when I ll come around doing that but I ought to really.
BTW. Whats PM?
I have yet no experience with downloading through the Net.
December 23rd, 2008 at 21:58For years I had this old windows 98 pc which could not do much
And with this one which I got this summer I have not got into that kind of wizardry yet.
Yeah, I know…….sounds stupid.
I forgot Jeff s post
Recently someone at the Rainbow Fan Clan forum provided us a link through which we could download one of those 2 tracks, I think it was Cosmic Jazz.
The generous giver said it was nothing special
Apart from that I did not get into it because I had to download all kinds of stuff which put me off.
I seem to remember RIJR would not exist according to another outing somewhere.
I really dont know
Never heard of Algeirs except from that dreadful continent which I got into one thinking it would be a nice vacation.
Only to rush out there within 4 days.
Having experienced being named Jews from Holland and more fun we decided to get back to Europe.
December 23rd, 2008 at 22:05Those were the days.
Sorry I don’t space things out more.
A PM is a private message.
About ‘Cosmic Jazz’ I call it ‘Cosmic Crap’ seriously, nothing labeled DP sounds as far from DP than this, I’ll be convinced it is them when they release it. The thing sounds like crud. With all due respect for him, I don’t put huge stock in every last thing Simon reports, sometimes he doesn’t have it right, for instance, it’s ‘One Eye To Morrocco’ not ‘One Eye On Morrocco’ and I’m told Steve Morris has nothing to do with it, but they publish it anyway.
December 23rd, 2008 at 22:37@ Roberto, it’s not easy to rate Gillan boots, I have so much and there are none that can compare for me to the officially released BBC 1980 show, that concert is flawless and displayed just how on they could be when they were up to it, sheer power show.
The Bucharest 92 DVD is very good, I’m sending one to Lennoard Haze who I just did a big phone interview with recently and he was amazed when I told him about all of the recordings going around, he thought there were very few.
But I have mega rare videos, Zagreb 81, Arhus 82 and Genk 80. The first two are pro shot and virtually uncirculated, and like most of the Gillan boot catalog, the recording transfer quality is average.
As for the Satch bootlegs, St. Gallen is one of the best, but I have every one of them and they’re all great, but out of the DVD’S, only 2 or 3 of them are great because of the camera work and/or sound. The best are Saarbrucken, Goteborg Heyden All Star Fest, and Osaka.
December 23rd, 2008 at 23:05That Gillingham 81 TV performance video is pretty good too.
December 23rd, 2008 at 23:08Cosmic Jazz is DP. I confirmed it earlier this year. I would love to hear RIJIR someday.
Here is hoping.
December 23rd, 2008 at 23:20Confirmed or not brother, it doesn’t sound like them by any stretch of the imagination,so if it is, then the bootleg is a fake from what I can figure. It’s some serious garbage.
Merry Christmas Russ, talk to ya soon.
December 23rd, 2008 at 23:42RIJIR? never heard of it. What is it and from what era?
Cosmic Jazz is Definitely Purple related. I can guarantee that Paice is the drummer here. The only one I am skeptical on is the guitar and bass. The keys are Lord style for sure too. It’s a very Jazzy tune which could actually be Bolin. But, Paice is the drummer here for sure.
This all reminds me of the rare LP I have called ‘Psychedelic Underground’ which has no musician credits and was rumored to be “Purple” incognito back in either the late 60’s or early 70’s. It has some tracks that do make you think and one in particular that if I remember had the riff of a later released official Purple tune that I just don’t recall off the top of my head. It’s in storage. I’ll dig it out one day and give it listen again…..
Cheers
December 24th, 2008 at 03:38I know the album you’re thinking but all I heard was a similarity to Wring That Neck in one song, are you sure it’s called “Psychedelic Underground?” I seem to remember “Satan” in there somewhere.
December 24th, 2008 at 04:17Crimson do you know where I can “find” gillan bbc 79-80?
December 24th, 2008 at 09:24in that album should be the highest gillan scream ever (he reach D6)…
I would remember to Leonard Haze the cd bootleg munchen 1991 with a wonderful performance from Ian and the dvd ostrava 1991 which is good…
Deep purple dvd: sofia 1998 is awesome..
where can I find these above rare tracks mentioned?
psychedelic undergound is only another band that did a deep purple style album but none of the original members played…
Crimson Ghost (Post #20): Thanks for the input on the suit. I found the web-site for the New York State Eastern District Superior Court Docket with the Basic Info on the law suit. It is between Ritchie & THAMES Management,filed in August 2001 for Copyright & Intellectual property infringement. So it may very well be over Reissues & Box Sets as you suggest. I don’t know if the Machine Head omission is part of this as the dates do not coincide. The full info of the suit is not a matter of public record and therefore not available to the general public. We will have to rely on the waring parties to reveal THEIR versions of the decision in the matter. Thanks,Drdp
December 24th, 2008 at 10:36It is not even in question that “Cosmic Jazz” is Purple with Ritchie on guitar..it’s obvious. It’s so cool to hear him running out a few jazz-like riffs in an almost John Mclaughlin sort of way. Jon Lord referred to this side of Ritchie before in print interview. I asked Roger Glover about this track back on the Purpendicular tour when they were in Phoenix and he smiled when I mentioned in it as said he was surprised I knew of it. He said there were a couple of other instrumentals from that time period as well. I cannot beleive the guy who calls it “Cosmic crap”…any unreleased informal Blackmore jamming is a good thing, as he is usually more relaxed.
On an unrelated note Joe Lynn Turn told me that he had almost an albums worth of Ritchie instrumentals that were just him and drum machine in the studio (From Slaves ara) but no way could he let them out. He said “he had to beg Roger” to even get thim himself. No way to know if it’s true but I do have a telephone interview where Ritchie alludes to these instrumentals things, so perhaps it is true. Wish I could hear that stuff!
December 24th, 2008 at 16:58Oh my God, why are they torturing us so much?
December 24th, 2008 at 17:12It must be English kinda fun?
“Son of Alerick” is on video? Oh man…that is just sooo incredible. That’ll never be released..especially if Ritchie has a say. It is some of the best Blackmore playing ever captured.
December 24th, 2008 at 17:23Hi Crimson Ghost..
December 24th, 2008 at 17:30Sorry to hear you no like “Cosmic”. Seems like you are very knowledgable about the Gillan material. Is there any pro-shot footage of the John Gustafson era (Ian Gillan Band) aside from that horrible “live at Rainbow” piece which, for some weird reason, almost intentionally ignores camera shots of that almight bassist …John Gustafson? I love that jazz-fusion era of Gillan (unlike many) and would love to know if there is any other footage out there on that line up
One other thing…Is it just me or was anyone else feeling a tad betrayed by the “remastered” GILLAN albums that were re-released a couple years ago? I asked SR about them and he said the masters were nearby and weren’t even used! I was really hoping for a good (or actually real) remastering of “GLORY ROAD” and these newest “remeasters” were no improvement at all over the originals! I do have a copy of the REPETOIRE remaster of “Future Shock” and it was actually remasted as the mids were totally improved.
December 24th, 2008 at 17:33Very strange
Roberto @ 33
In what track on which disc did Ian hit that “D” I’d like to hear it.
It’s now available in one package, disc two is simply a concert lovers dream!
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1247901/a/Live+At+The+BBC+79%2F80.htm
Munchen 91, there is also a DVD of decent quality, several from 91 are circulating. Ostrava 91 is pro shot, yes, but suffers a bit in the audio and performance department compared to some others, even some audience sourced ones.
Sofia 98 is just okay for me, it’s extremely dark and Gillan was tired.
But I do like the little Abandon promo feature that’s on it.
You’ll have to list what above tracks again, not sure which ones you’re referring to.
December 24th, 2008 at 22:27Drdp @ 34
Interesting, it was their intellectual property as well, and agreements were never in writing as to what to do with it, so I think he won by default by riding the suit out, especially when he spent the income from them before filing. That’s how these things can pan out, you have to go the duration and it sounds like THAMES did just that, I doubt they defended their selves with much care. Either that or Ritchie makes damn sure to purchase copyrights on his individual contributions in order to safe guard them, which I do not put past him, he has his finatial act together. Glad he was awarded, he must be in the right there or would not have won the suit, good for him, I admire anyone’s ambition to protect their art.
It very well was over the box sets and I just say they knew they’d lose and took the sweat road to bother him.(ride things out and you won’t be sorry if you’re in the right)
What happened concerning the t-shirts I *imagine* from not only speculation is that he tried to stop them from including his work in their post Blackmore situation concerning future merchandise, and t-shirts are included in that bracket. I think it was a personal shot to teach him some law, and it should be well known by now that Bruce is a HARVARD GRAD. It was a bit petty of Ritchie to do so after spending the money, but he had the right to spend the money because his name was on the checks and that may have pissed them off but there is nothing they can do, but perhaps throw a cheap clever shot back at him. I’m sure Purple are aware he won, but I don’t think any concern exists much over it by now, because they just held out and it was their mistake, because we all know you get the maximum from a suit when you do that, so I’m sure he feels he won big but they could care less, the right man won.(but Gillan himself seemed irritated toward him in the press for at least the years surrounding the suit, and I just suspect that’s the main reason why, petty is as petty does)
So the t-shirt thing was an indirect result, a meantime casualty of the suit.
December 24th, 2008 at 22:43Jeff @35
It’s actually titled “Cozmic Jazz” that I have and as I said, it must be fake if you guy’s say there is something good there, I’d like to compare my copy with the one being talked about. Of the thousands of bootlegs I have, there is a boat load of fake stuff. On my copy there aren’t any so called “runs” it’s just a bunk basement piece with nothing substantial at all.
As for the S&M outtakes and studio jamming, you’re correct, but guess what, those recordings were leaked some time ago and I have them. Two disc’s of backing tracks with several vocal tracks as well, nothing spectacular but definitely interesting and worth hearing, but there is really only one instrumental where it seems they could now lay a vocal over and have a complete song, and Ritchie burns pretty good on it.
December 24th, 2008 at 22:52Glad Joe has the masters, but from what I hear there isn’t much he could salvage from them, I think he needs to listen to them again, he’ll see that there isn’t.
I would predict now that Jeff is right concerning them releasing any bonus material, but I bet it could be worked out as long as they consult him first, and if he feels it’s worthy of release he’ll likely go along with it if presented some kind of profitable figure. They didn’t do this before and need to take care now, and obviously will if they’re going through with these projects. I’m sure an agreement can be made between them, it’s just business, nothing personal, although as sleezy as anything else that has gone on concerning their business practices since 196f’ing 8. I don’t think it’s Ritchie’s goal to put them out of business, he is part of such things and would be holding up the show and I just don’t think that’s his aim, myself.
December 24th, 2008 at 22:58@38
Yes and no concerning Gus period Gillan, some promo clips for Scarabus are supposed to exist but they’re hiding under a rock somewhere and it’s important to remember that they don’t own the copyrights so it can be painstakingly expensive to release them, so I just await some kind of bootleg of it to surface.(dreaming)
I wasn’t impressed with the remasters much at all, but I did get a treat in 3 of the videos on the bonus disc I hadn’t seen before.
December 24th, 2008 at 23:02Just to add, if Ritchie is inspired, he will work, if he is not, he won’t, so that is key to him ever playing strictly hard rock on stage again. If he misses it enough before he dies, he will do it, but don’t hold your breath.
Money always has part to do with it as well, so both things have to coincide in order for him to do it. Law suits like this usually aren’t personal but they get loads off the chest and sometimes make the possibility of working together again a reality. In this case we can only hope it puts them in a more comfortable place.
I think Ritchie should be very relieved of a lot of tension, remember, the last press statement he made about the split was completely different than the Gillan blame he carried on about from 94 till 98 when he told the actual reason for leaving, and that was the conflicting fact that Bruce got “33% of their earnings while cruising the golf courses of the world.” He revealed that it was all down to business disagreements, true story.(the rest is drama food)
December 24th, 2008 at 23:16Hi!
Yes, you are totally correct in what you say about the Bruce Payne situation and to what extent that factors in all things regarding Ritchie/Rainbow. I believe the only thing Ritchie has allowed since, and it could be wrong was the recent live Japanese Rainbow shows the KOHLN,NERNBERG,DUSSEL etc..Those were great too!I notice on the liner notes no mention of Payne and my guess is that he was circumvented on these somehow, which may be why they were released with Ritchie’s blessing. (I belive Carole Stevens and Coletta ARE mentioned) Just a guess though. My impression is Ritchie is willing to forgo the entirety of Rainbow’s history if it means Payne earning a dime from it.That is my impression and of course only Ritchie knows for sure.
We MUST be talking about two different things because “Cosmic Jazz” (my version isnt titled at all..and no way is it imposter, it is 100% Blackmore/Purps) It has Ritchie blazing all over it! Roger is playing a standard/concervative walking jazz bass line thing and lord is interjecting as you would expect. It has an Italian sounding guy introducing the song as “Cosmic Jazz”..It’s at least 4 minutes and the quality isn’t bad at all (for how rare it is) It is totally a live jam. We have to be talking about 2 different things! It is an eye-opening side to Blackmore. I have never heard the fusion style licks and it is not Bolin1 There’s no similarities in those two. I would have no problem sending you a copy of it if you would like. Just tell me how if you want. Re: the joe lynn turner..he told me face to face that it was unreleased material. (He only has an audio cassette tape not any masters).I did not get the impression that it was backing tracks. He said it was all Ritchie. But, that’s what he said. He told me in 1991 at Ritchie’s Birtday party in Worcester Ma(After the show..he wasn’t drunk either)
December 25th, 2008 at 00:10Hello Crim
December 25th, 2008 at 00:31Send me an email address and I will email you an MP3 just so you can see that there is no way anyone could call it garbage..it’s a totally relaxed Blackmore running down Django and Mahavishnu style runs. He is really playing free because there are none of what I call his falling back riffs that he relys on when he is uninspired. To me it comes in second to “Son of Alerik”. It’s important/special because it is a different style than we usually get..not really blues based..more jazz based. I can see why someone could think it’s Bolin style- wise but anyone can tell it’s Ritchie..My guess is it is from the reunion 1984 PF era. I got the song individually from a collector years ago from Goldmine magazine. It wasn’t part of a full bootleg cd. Like I said Glover knew what I was talking about.
@45. My take is that Ritchie isn’t only motivated by money.(I’m sure he is major-league interested in cash and there are some serious stories to support a ruthless financial side to him) but…if he is, Blackmore’s Night would not be his sole outlet. That is at best a breakeven situation probably..maybe a slight earner or maybe a loss! My take is that once something irritates him that’s it. To be fair to the guy I have seen Gillan trashed sooo many times, and it has to be hard for a perfectionist-type personality to play when someone else is interested in partying first and the show is just an afterthought. I don’t know about you but reading lyrics off the floor is really pathetic and I’m not referring to the old Sabbath story. So on that level I tend to believe in what he (Blackmore) says at times when most tend to belive the Purple band spin. A good example of this was on the cool Gillan DVD documentary “Highway Star a Journey in rock” Gillan’s wife says she was hit with beer/water by Blackmore during the infamous “HELL OR HIGHWATER DVD” when in the book Blacknight his roadie states this was NOT the case. I doubt he will ever want to deal with rock personalities again after having such tension-free years and total control in Blackmore’s Night. Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see him hit the rock scene again I just really doubt it will ever happen. Another supporting comment (if it is accurate)regarding anything Rainbow could be seen in that quote from Ritchie’s son about his playing with that reunited Rainbow line up. I think Paynes co-ownership in Raibow will prevent anything happening in that lexicon..unless they make up:)
December 25th, 2008 at 02:02It sounds like mine is an imposter of the track and nothing but trash then, and the reason I maintained by stance is because Russ once told me it was the real deal and I couldn’t see how, but he obviously doesn’t have what I’m talking about in order to make any comparisons, that is if he himself has heard the tracks in question and can do so.
Lack of detailed communication I guess, lol!
I’ll have to mine for my copy to compare, could take me a while but I do appreciate you sending me the track and I hope I will know the second I hear it if it’s the same thing or not, basically all it has to do is sound good and I’ll know it’s different, regardless of any other details, so thanks again… purplexed@msn.com
p.s. I think it’s ridiculous that any band battles had any real underlying reasons for the split after he revealed his problems with Bruce and don’t get how they used that angle if it weren’t really the reason for the split.
December 25th, 2008 at 02:03I think you’re following the over-discipline line of thinking, because if no fun can be had, nobody would perform.
And I am also of the opinion that a guitarist can easily cover up any problems they’re having and still put on a great show, so in all fairness, why can’t Ritchie just make sure he puts on his best? But one thing among others that makes a front man as much or even more important in my book, is that it’s impossible for them to achieve such cover ups. I’ve never seen Gillan trashed and I’ve seen him 13 times in four countries, so perhaps the off night here and there because the show doesn’t just consist of the show itself but a days work and a long night to follow sometimes, ames things more than meets the eyes. Ritchie just likes to control anything and everything around him to the point where he lets himself become both very irritated and jealous of the way others carry on differently than him. Took him ten years or so to bail just because of that… see above again, it was animosity toward Bruce that was building up more than anything, I’d say.
It’s easy to take his side when he is the focus of what time you invest in following them.
Just my opinion of course, but just displaying my education on the subject as I invest equal amount of time on both. Ian has always been a complete gentleman to me, Ricthie was the first time I met him, but beating him at foosball set the tone for the next meeting which was less comforting to say the least, perhaps if I hadn’t mentioned the match he would not have recognized me, lol!
To each their own, man, but that’s my experience. Btw, the drunkest and most knackered one I ever witnessed after a show was Mr.Lord hardly able to walk.
Ritchie should not be an authority on what people do with their off time, but I can see the concern if needed. I just think it’s stupid to let someone elses way of living their life get in the way of things, that’s just defective in of itself. You know what they say, jealousy is envy’s ugly cousin. lol! I’ll close this one by directing you to the Castles and Dreams DVD where Ritchie hits the beer after the show and looks and speaks with clear oblivian.
Cheers for now.
December 25th, 2008 at 02:48Jeff,
Your description of the Cosmic Jazz track being introduced is interesting as mine isn’t. The one I have comes from the Blackmore by Request CD. And it is the one I verified.
Send me an email at rijir(at)comcast.net
I’d be interested to hear what you have.
December 25th, 2008 at 04:59Crimson
December 25th, 2008 at 10:31could you suggest me deep purple 1998 and 2005 cd an dvd bootlegs?
I think Gillan 91 ostrava peformance is very good but bucharest is a little bit better…munchen 91 to me sound as an awesome performance from Ian Gillan.
About Gillan D6 scream that should be at the end of smoke on the water and on another track, that note is the highest one ever reached by a rock singer…
could you please write me: robertoscortichini@hotmail.com
thanks
Nazzarre?
December 25th, 2008 at 11:34@50.
Hi there…Come on now man..you dont even know me yet..I don’t think I am being or following any “over -diciplined” line of thinking. I have no vested interest in being anti-Gillan at all. I have followed his entire career. However, you wrote: “It’s easy to take his side when he is the focus of what time you invest in following them”. How have you assertained that he is the majority of my focus? Just curious. I am fairly savvy about all the indivduals of the Purple Juggernaut.(And their performance nuances)
I’m not sure one can equate the risk taking of instrumental improvisation with being a vocalist frontman either as they are completely different diciplines. I would say “it may be” an over simplification to say a guitarist can “cover up” this or that because he doesnt have the attention of being the front man. The difference between a fair night and a very inspired night from Blackmore is pretty significant technically. “Covering up” could be a subtractive way of viewing the phenomenon of comparitive performance. When Ritchie is not having a good night he is really mediocre. When he is on he is communicating with aliens. For better or for worse and in my opinion, I don’t think that Gillan’s pendulum can swing to the same extremes. Who takes more chances? Gillan when he cannot perform Child anymore or Ritchie when he is about to solo and has no idea where he’s going? Who’s taken more chances in their careers ouside of Purple? Who’s delivered more quantity and quality to their respective consumer base? Dont get me wrong..I have grown weary of the Blackmore’s Night thing and would love to see him do something different!
Re: the focus of attention on a front man. My impression is different because I could argue that Gillan is not necessarily the focus, because when Blackmore was with the band huge swaths of eyes were always glued to him.
I’m okay with “fun” and I understand your point. Point well taken. If people are happy with his performance and he’s having a good time who am I to judge the satisfaction of others? But, when you are 60 plus years old and physiological apects begin to factor in to you ability to perform, there’s no need to exacerbate the situation, particularly with todays ticket prices. (The guy is a major league party commando man…everyone knows that.)
I sent you the mp3..it’s even more experimental that I remembered. The version I sent has the vocal intro edited out though..I’d have to look for the one with the intro. It was annoying frankly. Hope you like!
December 25th, 2008 at 12:01Huh? Nazzarre?
December 25th, 2008 at 12:04@48
“To be fair to the guy I have seen Gillan trashed sooo many times, and it has to be hard for a perfectionist-type personality to play when someone else is interested in partying first and the show is just an afterthought.”
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This is what I based that on. I also didn’t fail to mention that it’s just my opinion versus yours, that’s all. Stuff like that tends to get me generalizing toward anyone of that line of thinking here, not just you, so I take such opportunities in such instances… nothing personal, it’s just that we all have one level or another of savvy concerning them.
@54
“When Ritchie is not having a good night he is really mediocre. When he is on he is communicating with aliens. For better or for worse and in my opinion, I don’t think that Gillan’s pendulum can swing to the same extremes.”
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It’s not a contest I’ve ever been interested in, I just express my opinion toward the staunch Blackmore fans who think he’s some kind of profit or something, when the man puts his trousers on one leg at a time, just as any other man/musician. Something about him being absolutely peerless that I disagree with, I’m flexable that way I guess.
I do think Gillan could swing it up to the time the two parted ways for good, which is all that matters to me concerning that, since they are the two we’re talking about. But since then…. don’t ask, I’m just having fun along with him now, which is one of the reasons they’re still around, they no longer have to put up with his nonsense concerning unimportant antics he does for the simple purpose of seeing if they’ll let him continue to walk all over them, something he still practices in his tiny outfit now, according to many inside sources and I’m pretty sure he’d be the first to admit it to anyone who asks him.
60 plus is also Ritchie who has shown no evidence of being able to fire off a solo like in Highway Star with anywhere near the speed and finesse and precision as he did as late as 93, none whatsoever, but if you believe he can that’s fine of course, but we have no proof yet, do we?
You put up a fair and poised argument, which I respect, but from the looks of it, by what you say, It’s pretty easy to see which way you lean. I am not the least bit anti Blackmore either, I’m just all for Purples bravery for carrying on without such an enigmatic figure that he has manufactured himself to be, and he would also be the first to tell you it’s a lot about male ego, his that is. Just about everyone whoever challenged or seemed to threaten that has been shown the door, now if that’s not true than I am the actual Crimson Ghost and have been in hiding since 1960.lol!
And when I see Gill fall over or stumble on stage I’ll believe it’s affecting his performance to where I’ve had enough, a voice is a voice and his is what it is… there is no scientific proof that his lifestyle has affected it moreso than simple aging factors.
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Thanks for the .mp3, I listened to it and it’s the same thing I have.
I can’t for the life of me see whats so great about it, I have mega rare pre-Purple stuff that features better playing, and I’m not talking about stuff you can’t find because it hasn’t been released with his name attached to it yet, but you can find tracks with him on them from the same group.
It must be the unorthadox manner in which he was playing or something.
To be honest, it sounds like all of them but him, and I think it’s because of two things.
1. jazz improv in what sounds like just a mid section jam, something of a rarity for him/them in the mid 80’s.
2. I sincerely think he sounds so different because it just might be he was playing that sunburst Les Paul that can be seen in the reunion jam shots.
I was referring to Roberto with the Nazzare comment, you’ll see.
December 25th, 2008 at 13:01Jeff, I’ll send a reply to your email later on… you mentioned the beer throwing incident, there is something very important that I know for a fact because his PA told me so in an extensive interview I published on the internet at an exclusive location, besides the fact that the roadie failed to mention it, and it’s key to why he was so irritated in the first place that night, as anyone would be… he should not have played Birmingham and was ordered by his doctor after the second night in Brixton, not to do the gig, and I have an extremely rare back stage photo to back it.
December 25th, 2008 at 13:15Bummer jeez….. You don’t see the greatness in his playing on this? Those are incredibly creative runs!They reveal a depth of fusion influences not heard commercially. I would love to have more of this type of thing.
I believe it is his strat being played on this track.
Well, there’s no doubt you are a very knowledgable guy and I have no problems with opposing opinions. I’m not sure Ritchie manufactured any image though..it is what he is. Did Gillan manufacture his image? He appears at times to come off as some kind of wordly intellect and has more than a few times intimated that Blackmore is a “mental miget”! It’s not a contest you say? You and I don’t make it a contest..they do!…I don’t know..Gillans no angel either.
Blackmore discovered so many great talents along the way, He was the main impetus for the material of Deep Purple. Look how successful they were after Gillan left. Are you saying the Burn material and live performances weren’t strong? Having said that,..The Joe Lynn slaves thing was awful…although there were a couple good tunes..but he is no Gillan and that idiotic comment about “not singing someone else’s drivel” is really annoying. He will never be as great as Gillan.
re: his playing…Nothing since “Highway Star or since 93? Have your heard his solo on “Fires at Mindhight”? That is jaw dropping.. awesome beyond belief..it was a natural extension to the beauty he displayed on “Waysted Sunsets” for example, one of the greatest Purple backing tracks of all time.It was in my opinion anyway until Gillan sung what he did over it…horrendous non-believable lyrics to a great dark blues-based MOUNTAIN-like track.
You think that Ritchie applying himself to the acoustic guitar is making him a lesser electric player? Any guitarist will tell you it is much more difficult to play an acoustic. Almost every guitarist will always play acoustic first if they have too because the electric is easier to play. Ritchie still displays amazing grace and beauty, albeit lesser in quantity in the Blackmore’s Night lexicon but if anything he is progressing not regressing.
Regarding Purps “bravery” I can unsderstand that. I am glad they have continued on. I saw them on the last tour and they were very fun. I enjoyed it and I am one of the few who really see Don Airey as a plus..particularly for his use of synths. They just dont have the dark dangerous side they did with Ritchie. Morse is a great guy and a great player…very classy. He won’t be remembered historically in the same way as Blackmore though. Blackmore has the gift of writing. I would not want to see them play with Ritchie again. I think it would be a step backward for all of them. I would rather see them continue on and Ritchie do an electric instrumental album if I had my wishes. No Deep Purple reunions or Rainbow reunions…They all need to move forward.
Gillan did some great stuff and during the “Mr Universe”/”Glory Road” era I considered him and his band superior to Rainbow…but, look what he did to those guys!! Just walked out and left them to scurry to save thier own equipment! Talk about shown the door!!!Yikes! Fortunately Torme and McCoy are doing some really cool stuff again! (GMT)And Colin Twons has had a great career..what a great player he is. Plus, I already told you how much I loved the jazz-fusion material of “Clear Air Turbulence” and “Scarabus”…Awesome band and incredible material..too advanced for the masses.
I am no defender of Ritchie in terms of his personality. Its’ too complex for me to know anyway. I always worried that when I tried to talk to him I’d be blown off too!..but fortunately it hasn’t happened yet…it could though. There aren’t too many uber- talented people out there who do not suffer from some sort of personality quirk. His eccentricities are to be expected but not applauded.
So send me an mp3 man,.. some rare instrumental thing by Ritchie! Something from those slaves outtakes..what was that Pefect Street rangers thing without the vocals..was that any good? I used to have this cool instrumental called “Londondary Air” that was a soundcheck and I lost it!
December 25th, 2008 at 14:02Are you talking about the foot injury?
December 25th, 2008 at 14:04Great reading again guys.
If there is someone so kind to sent me any of the above rarities, I d much obliged
purpelaar1965@hotmail.com
I m really in for some coffee now
December 25th, 2008 at 15:10Please add me for the rarities…
December 25th, 2008 at 18:19Hey see this:
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqXfO46zsA
probably there is a Tv video of this concert;watch the cameras…
December 25th, 2008 at 18:37I am still looking for the video with Tv cameras of Pistoia 1999…
But my Highest desire is to have the video of the gig Iowa foxfest Michigan Usa 2005.A free concert in front of 120.000 people, supported by Blue Oyster Cult, Gillan with long hairs and in very good shape…
December 25th, 2008 at 18:40I like that kind of concert (as Vielles Charreus 2005 festival which I am looking for the complete concert too)
Could someone help?
Please get in touch with email…
Hey Man
I dont know which one of the people here did sent me COSMIC JAZZ
I listened to it once and forwarded it to a few friends to ask their opinion aboout it.
Ofcourse for years I ve been thinking it would give me about the same as Son Of Alerik.
I dont know yet for sure what to think of it.
1 SOA sounded VERY strange to me the first times I heard it, after that it grew and grew and grew and grew……Could net get enough of it.
2 Right now I dont think this is DP
3 Who sent me this? Thanx anyway……
Always nice getting presents, espescially now.
December 25th, 2008 at 19:01Roberto
Listened to that You Tube after I put on another sweater against the cold.
I HATE WINTER!!!
The sound is very raw and too much guitar dominated but I must admit I kinda grabs you by the throat.
Almost felt like I wanted to be there.
Yeah, I m a strange man.
Cant hardly understand myself most of the time.
Maybe I should make some warm chocolate with rum and whipped cream?
Cheers people
December 25th, 2008 at 19:08Purplepriest could you send me cosmic jazz?
robertoscortichini@hotmail.com
thanks
December 25th, 2008 at 19:43Thanks a lot Mark Nodle for the song!
Now could (King) Crimson Ghost help about bootlegs?
December 25th, 2008 at 19:49Entry 64!>>> I sent it Purple Priest!<<<,…You asked if we could send you some of the mentioned stuff. Of course it’s Purple…I spoke with Glover about it. It’s obvious in all thier playing. Because it’s so different is WHY I love it some much..that is prime Ritchie exercising his Mahavishnu/John McLaughlin/Django roots.
December 25th, 2008 at 21:37This wasn’t going to sound like the great “Son of Alerick” because it hasn’t been formally released. It was clearly dropped down to cassette by someone at the time..It’s not off any master. I’m sure they have it in pristine quality amongst the other Perfect Strangers- era jams.
December 25th, 2008 at 21:40Ritchie’s playing all kinds of weird chords and discordant runs…very cool
Ok…I’ve shared my Cosmic Jazz, which by the way I remastered a tad myself. rarities…Anybody gonna mp3 me any weird Ritchie? I used to have this crappy album 30 years ago called “Castle Donnington” and it had a very cool guitar solo on one of the two featured Rainbow tracks..It was a version of “Stargazer” with Graham Bonnet singing and that had a great Ritchie solo…in fact Ritchie was pretty on that night. If only Simon Robinson could find the master tapes/footage so we could have that gig on DVD! Everyone has that poor 30-minute version. That album had only 2 Rainbow tracks All night long and Stargazer. I would also love to have any Ritchie instrumental that is unusual.
December 25th, 2008 at 21:49Okay Roberto I just sent it to you also..Please dont question whether it’s Purple!!! It is Besides who would it be otherwise anyway? I know all these guys too well playing-wise. In fact Jon Lord mentioned some “Jazz fusiony” things that showed what he called “The tip of the Iceberg” as to what Ritchie can do…but he won’t let anyone hear.:)
December 25th, 2008 at 21:57TO TRACY @ ENTRY 31.
December 25th, 2008 at 22:24Cosmic is most certainly Ritchie. It’s his sound,(My guess through his combo amp) his vibrato, and ALL his imagination and improvisation. You mentioned “It could be Bolin”..It’s not. Besides, the “Tommy Bolin Estate” have made a career out of being are all over anything with Tommy on it.
Jeez…How come everyone thinks this isn’t Purps!!!
Jeff
Thanx for sending me COSMIC JAZZ
I kinda thought already it was you but I did not say anything more informative because I try to be more careful with personal information, adresses and so on.
Sorry for dissappointing you, I also feel that it might have been Jon Lord and Ian Paice and some others but RIGHT NOW I m not convinced its RB and Roger.
Btw, I already did try to sent Cosmic Jazz to Roberto.
Dont know it if it worked out cause the 1st time it failed.
Castle Donnington 1980, I ve been complaining for many years now nothing of that kind has been released, incl live gigs from the JLT era
Yeah, I know about Live between the eyes and the gig from Japan.
The first I love, the 2nd I have problems with enjoying, dunno why, maybe the mix?
Goodnight.
December 25th, 2008 at 23:03Hey everyone, Merry Christmas to you & yours this year, this is not about Roger, but I thought that you or anyone who loves RB would love to know that the new US issue of Guitar world has a great article on Ritchie in it! It’s titled, Medievel Times with RB, on the front it says The Return of the legendary Ritchie Blackmore, he talks a lot about his new Blackmore’s Nite cd Secret Voyage, Is it released yet? Does everyone like it? On the Cover, is Eddie VanHalen, talking about his new Wolfgang Guitar, pretty interesting. just thought i’d pass the news on peace BP
December 25th, 2008 at 23:46Jeff or Purplepriest1965,
Can one of you send me your copy of CosmicJazz? I want to compare to mine. I don’t have that intro. Just wondering if there is a difference.
rijir@comcast.net
Russ
December 26th, 2008 at 00:30So there are more songs /videos around of Purple. Why not release a big box set of out take songs/videos from the bands whole career ,instead of releasing the whole cd again. So you get sucked in & buy it for one or 2 new songs. Am not getting the cd again already have enough of them on the book shelf.
December 26th, 2008 at 05:31The Perfect Strangers album is one of the best albums from the group ,just like In Rock & Machine Head , all the songs on it sound good , you don’t need to fast foward or press the next song button!
Thank you guys for the cosmic jazz song…they are Deep purple!
December 26th, 2008 at 12:06George Fotis I agree with you:someone should realise officially or not a dvd and cd wiht outtakes and rarities…
could somone help?
Today I received reactions from friends to whom I forwarded Cosmic Jazz
December 26th, 2008 at 12:14No one of us thinks it is Deep Purple!
There appears to be a DreamTheatre connection though.
One of my friends even sent me a link to youtube on which Cosmic Jazz was played
December 26th, 2008 at 12:17It seemed different
After about 2 minutes it stops and we get something different which I think is definitely not DP but indeed Dreamtheatre.
I have seen that youtube clip. It mentions the name of the other track I believe and it is another band. Purplepriest1965 is the first half the same track you have? If so that is the one. And it is Purple.
December 26th, 2008 at 13:08I give up on you guys…If you don’t believe this is Ritchie then the least you can do is say who you believe it is..you would still be WRONG but at least that would be funny!..
Memo to the world…..This IS Ritchie Blackmore!!!!!!!!!!
December 26th, 2008 at 13:45Russ @ 75
Thanks for saying it is Purple…the youtube clip has a another tune attached after it that is not Purple. There is no connection to Dream Theater other than DT love Purple!
Just because it’s a different side to him and they are unusual discordant runs they are having trouble believing it. John lord is copying the licks after Ritchie plays them just like always…It’s absurd because there would be all kinds of info if this was some other session being played with some “mystery” guitarist. I am a guitar nut. I am totally familiar with all the greats and many of the not so well known greats in the world. It’s not even a question that this is a jam by Deep Purple.
*The only difference with the intro is a guy with an accent saying “cosmic jazz” and it starts up
Thanks RUSS for injecting some sanity into the discussion! 🙂
December 26th, 2008 at 13:58I love cosmic Jazz. Yes it is different than SOA. But I could sit through hours of PS jam sessions.
I really want to see the Son of Aleric footage.
December 26th, 2008 at 15:34I can really care less about the facts, my overall point is that it’s nothing special “to me” period.
December 26th, 2008 at 18:32I’ll address all previous posts directed to me a little later, I just wanted to clarify that I don’t see it as anything special at all and already explained why, so much for expression around here, it seems it’s measured by each others difference of opinion concerning what is nothing but a tid bit recording.
I am feeling less alone now RUSS 🙂 Thanks.
This goes to a bigger problem in the world of discussion/communication, even into politics.It’s intellectually unfair to dispute something without any risk attached. I really believe that if someone says something isn’t what it is then they bare some responsibility to inject more than just what it isn’t. They need to accept the risk of being right or wrong and offer up who they do think it “is”. I asked these guys to take that risk here and say who it is, so that I could challenge that. All I have seen is they “believe it is not Ritchie”. I already covered the Tommy Bolin argument because Tommy never had the same technical depth as Ritchie or the Django/Les Paul/Jimmy Bryant influences..And the Tommy Bolin estate pounces all over anything attached to his name anyway.
We will never see that stuff…First you’ve got Ritchie who is very restrictive about what gets released. I’m surprised Son of Alerick was even released in audio form. Then you have the relationship with him and Bruce Payne….”Son of Alerick” on DVD would be my Holy grail! It is the best slice of Ritchie and Purps ever…AND, you know there’s more that hasn’t been mixed down from those jams. John Lord talked about this “other” non commercial side of Blackmore and how the fans have only seen the “tip of the Iceberg” to what he can do. The only way I could ever see it happening is if Ritchie could tour no more and just needed the $. That is unlikely to happen.
Thanks man for being a lighthouse beacon as I was floating adrift in my troubled Purple waters.
December 26th, 2008 at 18:39Jeez Ghost it’s okay that you don’t like it. Is anyone stifing expression? I’m just defending the concept that it isn’t him playing
It’s basically a 4 minute isntrumental by Blackmore playing in a very non-commercial way….that’s pretty significant to the appetite of any instrumentally starved Blackmore guitar hounds.
December 26th, 2008 at 18:43oops typing too fast…stifleing
December 26th, 2008 at 18:44Well… it seemed to carry on as if I was trying to state some sort of fact that it’s not them, it’s not a song in the first place and should not be considered one, it falls more along the lines of studio practice/warm up faire. I never said it wasn’t them, I said “it didn’t sound to me like them” and that’s fair speculation as there are a lot of recordings that feature Ritchie but don’t sound like him, take the recording with The Sweet for a prime example, and I’ll email you that one for proof. I suspect it was because he was using their equipment.
The runs consist of nothing but repeat of the same scale over and over while trading with Jon, all I’m saying is that to me it’s not a gem of any sort, but perhaps if it were a finished product it would be another story for me, so I do recognize the potential, but that’s about it.
Jeff, await my reply to your posts, and an email that will suffice your desire to hear some cool stuff.(if you don’t mind download links for pieces that no existing email server will handle the size of)
December 26th, 2008 at 19:19I got into Purple in ’84 so the reunion era is my favorite. It doesn’t bother me that some are not as fond of that era. It just has a very special place for me. I have tried to become somewhat of an expert also in that era. For example I know they filmed all three Sydeny shows in ’84. One of them on 35mm film. They also filmed the Providence show in ’85. But the ’84 shows seem better as it was fresh. And the stage setup in ’85 was kind of weird.
I also studied the Perfect Strangers promo, since it was to have SOA footage in it. And I deduce that only a few seconds are really there.
Another key I have noticed is the time coding in the Under the gun promo as well as Perfect Strangers. Notice howit really jumps all over? I bet there is hours of video of them in the studio.
December 26th, 2008 at 19:32Roberto @52
Concerning 98 video bootlegs, there isn’t much to see besides Sophia that really impresses. Most all are average audience jobs.
Early 98 did produce footage from one of the four nights at HOB in Hollywood that I attended, there is a 30 minute DVD of the 28th, recorded off MTV Australia. As for audio I can only direct you to scour the indexes at The DP Hub.
As far as 2005 goes, hhmm… kind of an in between mini tour there. Try Dusseldorf w/Bradford guesting. But concerning both years you ask about, you can keep looking, but you won’t find anything better than what you can support them by buying, the Hard Rock Cafe London 2005 has to be one of the best videos in the history of the band concerning sheer intamacy. It’s excellent!
Oh, and I agree about the Vielles Charreus 2005 festival, it’s fab, but all that exists so far is Contact Lost/TWDG/Perfect Strangers/SOTW, and that’s all they aired… the only way to find more would be through someone in the loop to smuggle the entire footage out of the TV companies vaults or something, but an audience bootleg is always a possibility and would be nice to see… 60,000 crowd, what an exciting show it was.
Btw, the D6 scream sadly isn’t on the much better BBC recording, it’s from the 79 show, the 80 show is simply one of the best quality performance and recordings you’ll ever hear in the history of the Gillan band.
@63 I don’t have the Iowa fest and can’t tell you if there is a DVD, but if there is it only features a stale setlist, regardless of how good it is.
Cheers
December 26th, 2008 at 19:38Jeff @54
You may not have a vested interest in being anti-Gillan, but you still seem compelled to place him somehow beneath others, which isn’t productive either, it’s not much different, really, but who cares, I’m not concerned, just clarifying that we all have opinions.
I do think Gillan could swing it up to the point Ritchie left, but in all honesty they both had lost a considerable amount of energy imo, from following them as closely as possible on my end.
Most eyes would admit to spending a staggering amount of time fixed on each and ever guy up there for vast periods of a show, at least this is my experience, you must be talking about yourself of course, or perhaps confusing Purple with Rainbow, lol!
As for Gillan being a party animal, well he is a yoga freak too, whats the big deal as long as he makes an effort to detoxify as often as possible, it’s not really ever gonna make or break anything in the contesting between the two artist’s… so Gillan’s regimine differs from Blackmore’s, so what… but lets not forget the only real difference is that Gillan drinks mainly after shows and Blackmore before shows… does drinking half a bottle of scotch every night before he goes on stage in order to loosen up and prepare for the show ring any bells? That one has been published in his own words, and I believe it from my own experience, having been there in the afternoon with all access to the entire venue and visiting them on the bus, he easily drank that much because I saw the bottle decrease in ounces as the day wore on. Not to mention saw things that do not jive with their story concerning drugs as well, but hey, it’s only rock and roll.
December 26th, 2008 at 19:55@58
Of course I’ve heard FAM, I’ve heard quite a lot, thanks.
That was years ago though, and I’m not saying with some warm up with the band that he couldn’t eclipse some of that magic, but it would at least take that sort of effort to pull off.
Some stuff will be coming your way as I said, give me a second to round up the goods, you will be happy.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:00Btw… I fully support BN as a fan club coordinator, so most of what I say about him is just tongue and cheek and for enlightening purposes because people tend to act like he is incapable of human error. It’s really about balance, hell, I like a plethora of music and have nothing wrong with wrong with variety, as I said, I’m flexible that way.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:04@59
Yes, what do you know about it, and how it affected everything?
December 26th, 2008 at 20:06I thought I had the free lance publishing patent on that. lol!
@82
This is not true in my case, I thought I explaied that it’s the sound of his guitar that was the only real reason for my reasonable doubt, that and the fact that I have so many recordings that things tend to occasionally blur.lol!
December 26th, 2008 at 20:10Preist
I see we both hate this season, I’ve been basically snowed in for a week now, or I wouldn’t have so much time for this particular ongoing discussion between family holiday practices.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:11@ 88
I am new to this forum and it’s dogma. I wasn’t referring to you at all…just everyone other than you and Russ who were believing it was someone other than them. One guy said he sent it to his friends and “they all agreed it wasn’t”.
I never intentionally designated it a “song” . If I did I’m glad it isn’t. I would much prefer instrumental jam sessions over any formal song any day. Perhaps there in lies our real difference of purple appreciation. As much as I like Gillan I would go for an instrumental jam everytime rather than a fully realized song with vocals. Most of what I love about Purple is in the musicianship and isntrumentalism. I’m not alone..that’s why everyone loves “Made in Japan”.
I need to ask..do you play guitar? You have already stated your not big on this “segment” or whatever you want to call CJ and I accept that. But, if you are saying that his playing isn’t cool and perhaps even weak, then I would follow up by saying.. that’s a shame you feel this way. To me (And my 35+ years of guitar study) it meets all the criteria of a “gem”. If you have stuff that is even more rare then I eagerly await my education. Don’t know if I will have the capacity to get huge downloads tho.
Having said all that…Okay, I am over Cosmic Jazz 🙂
Regarding @ 89 and Russ…so far my impressions surrounding footage seem consistamnt with yours. I am primarily interested in only Blackmore-era material so the more recent stuff makes me out of my element.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:12Crim I agree with you at 91…Ritchie is a scoth man..and no stranger to heavy boozin. I also agree on the other.
I AM most certainly a Blackmore nut! I won’t deny that! But am also a Jeff Beck, Bireli Lagrene, Allan Holdsworth, Jimmy Bryant, Big Jim Sullivan, Robin Trower, Paul Kossoff, Buddy Guy, Django Reinhardt, Hendrix, Harvey Mandel, Leslie West, Roy Buchanan, Arlen Roth, Alex Machacek, Robert Fripp, and on and on nut as well.
It’s the old issue though..Just because I like vanilla more doesnt mean I hate or dislike Chocolate. Hey man I have almost everything Gillans done officially..doesn’t that earn me anything in Gillan appreciation?
December 26th, 2008 at 20:21Yes, I play guitar, but only on a level that is obviously beneath yours, either way it doesn’t matter because this isn’t a theory discussion, or is it? lol! Again Jeff, to each their own. But having multiple recordings beyond accountabilty, they don’t tend to lie.
I’ll make sure to guide you through the very easy download steps in the email, they aren’t that big, just too big for the server to handle, so you have to download them from another platform through the links I send.
Cheers
December 26th, 2008 at 20:25Regarding @94…yeah I knew about the foot/ankle thing. I still don’t believe Ritchie threw beer or water on Gillan’s wife tho…
I love the tension in that video and do not approve of leaving those guys high & dry out on the stage alone. They didn’t have to release that footage either..they helped shape it into quite the one-sided argument. I consider Ritchie’s performance on that mediocre at best. The beauty of his playing and vibrato is just stunning in the smallest things..that 5 second solo in Anyone’s Daughter…just sheer beauty.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:26Can you clarify?
December 26th, 2008 at 20:28>But having multiple recordings beyond accountabilty, they don’t tend to lie.<
@98
Yes, even if all you know is SOTW, it’s your opinion and should be respected. Btw, didn’t realize you were new here, welcome!
December 26th, 2008 at 20:29What did you think of “Stuttgart” 93? That was some good Gillan and Ritchie
December 26th, 2008 at 20:30@101
The proof behind much of what I say concerning live performance, is of course written all the pudding. I’ll explain the magnitude of what I do in the email…. coming your way soon enough.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:31Yeah I never have posted on any forum ever..Just was releived you guys were talking above the traditional mental landscape of Purple.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:32@ 104 ok…
I actually did some work for BN during the Ghost of a Rose period. Will share privately.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:35Re # 99 Im no great guitarist..especially when you listen to the greatest, but I know my guitar playing in a serious way
December 26th, 2008 at 20:36@103
I have that show on DVD from audience source and I believe it’s possibly the best show of that tour, as I have a pile of bootleg DVD’s and 40 audio recordings from that tour, they didn’t play many more shows than that, so I have it covered and then some, I’d say.
The official release was a must and I’m glad it happened.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:36@106
I’ll be glad to hear the details, saw them on the tour in your neck of the woods, Westbury to be exact, it was a decent show, but nothing compared to the Grove in Anaheim 2005.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:38@ 108 Yes! I was really happy to have one last hurrah from that line up.. I hear that’s the show they gave Satch in order to learn the set for Japan.
December 26th, 2008 at 20:40@ 109 I’m no longer back east..I am out west
December 26th, 2008 at 20:41@108
Well, half the show anyway, he somehow felt the rest in his one through run rehearsal on the day of the first show in Japan.
December 26th, 2008 at 21:06@109
Glad to hear that, I’m up north in southwest WA.
December 26th, 2008 at 21:07Make that 111, sorry, beginning to blur here, lol!
December 26th, 2008 at 21:10@111 furthermore…
He didn’t throw the beer at Bron, he aimed for a moving camera and it bounced off the ditching cam and Bron was splashed at the side of the stage where guests were located just a few feet behind Jon Lord.
Ian made his way over and commented to Bron what a move it was and she told him to forget it and carry on with the show… it was an introduction where the show was in jeopardy of not continuing, but things boiled over and the last noticable flaw besides Ritchie never seeming inspired was his missing of the first few bars of Black Night, to which you can clearly see a pissed off Roger’s reaction.
December 26th, 2008 at 23:48He didn’t get Bron wet on purpose and no one ever said he did, they just leave parts out in Ritchie’s defense it seems.
Ritchie may have tried to direct the cameramen prior to the show and reacted when they didn’t do as directed, but he is not a film director and was trying to manipulate that for what has always been a self amusement for him, if he gets away with it like at Cal Jam then it’s their fault, but they were still court ordered to pay 20 grand for that ABC camera. I say get it in writing first and they might listen, he is in no way in charge of everything going on, although he appears to think so whenever he feels like it. lol!
December 26th, 2008 at 23:56He may not be a film director but his stage presence was amazing from the 70’s thru the 80’s..probably unmatched in terms of guitar players :)His awareness of the cameras and stage are a unique and under-rated facet of his personality. His stage poses and moves were tru art…he may not admit that but it was. No one ever mentions his incredible presence on stage. Back in Rainbows heydey it was just stunning.
December 27th, 2008 at 01:20Agreed, but it’s still not a one man show.
December 27th, 2008 at 02:12I used to be told by my baseball coach to do things as a team member/player or get lost, regardless of the fact that we won no games without my participation through my record home runs and massive runs batted in…. in Rainbow it was one thing, but he was not Purples boss, ever. I’d say Ritchie is actually proud of those old moves, after all he practiced them in front of mirrors all the time, but is that really natural behaving on the fly, or rehearsed posing? Don’t get me wrong, there has never been anything more entertaining to me than even his briefest most subtle guitar smash.
No, I don’t think those are spontaneous… those are deliberate. It takes some balls to take those chances and not come off like a goof or poser. It works or it doesn’t. With him it did.
I understand the “team” concept but several Purps are in print stating that he was the driving creative force in Purple. That’s them talking not him and not me.
Not everyone is created equal. It’s a noble and idealistically sound vision but the reality is in any group leaders arise. We are talking the arts here not some other form of group activity. The guy had the goods wrting- wise. No one can dispute it. Would you say that the post- Blackmore period has yeilded even 50% of the memorable songwriting that occurred when he was present? Do you not ascribe anything to offset your less than favorable view of his team-spirit? Sure part of it was period based (occurring in the 70’s) but it came in large part from Richard I am the boss Blackmore 🙂
December 27th, 2008 at 02:57PS..your baseball career wasn’t for money i’ll bet. I’ll use basketball instead..I doubt Phil Jackson used to say to Michael Jordon; “Don’t hog the ball man we need to be fair, we are a team”
December 27th, 2008 at 02:59Never one to dispute his importance, just always one to dispute his loneness in a band, he is well aware that without others he would not be in business, otherwise he would not be in bands, he’d be standing alone with his guitar. He has admitted to this time and again, regardless of what the others have said, which they don’t always do, but have on occasions.
It was just a quick thought example, teams don’t have to be paid to function as a team, it’s not the least bit defined that way.
December 27th, 2008 at 04:27If you don’t think professional sports is an art, think again, but you also don’t have to be paid to ‘act’ professional, and no, I never played for money, but the league didn’t run on colored beads either, so your team involvement in that example contributes to something that would fold if there was no teams supporting the league.
I think it’s not just songwriting that makes something a classic, it’s not the 70’s anymore, they’re at least existing and doing fine in an era that does not belong to the good songwriting reliance, I think you can jive on that. So it’s still first class writing, just not a first class era. And comparisons are just too petty of a thing to run my outlook, I rate thing up against nothing. As silly as that sounds, otherwise I’d have stopped following Purple by the time they released Perfect Strangers, or to be more honest, THOBL… it would have been nover for me by then, but I stack thing individually in all fairness.
December 27th, 2008 at 04:34Make that ‘over’ and ‘things’ sorry, multi tasking at the moment, lol!
December 27th, 2008 at 04:37Fair enough all reasonable points. Didn’t say sports wasn’t an art…I said we are talking arts and those tend to be emphasize individualism. Not everyone is cut out to be easy to swallow socially.
December 27th, 2008 at 06:48… good point as well. Ritchie might have an out there, I know I do. lol!
December 27th, 2008 at 06:58Crim! * Contacted you via other pathway.
January 1st, 2009 at 03:12is it to much to ask for a sound wave sample of Gillan’s intro scream to highway star? its so hard to find without the music in the background.
January 4th, 2009 at 23:43id love to have a copy to have privately. thanks.
Interesting how Steve Morse is guesting with Kansas for an anniversary DVD filming. Perhaps one could triangulate that there could be some truth to the Glenn hughes, Blackmore, Coverdale era Purps doing a few shows??????????
January 12th, 2009 at 14:24something different, deep purple, the greatest band of all time has roger glover and joe bouchard as the two greatest bass players of all time. this is the only time i have honestly had a draw on musical opinions. next question, what band did joe bouchard play in?
January 15th, 2009 at 01:47TO JEFF, YOU RAISED A GOOD POINT, I PRAY THERE IS MERIT TO IT. IF THEY CAN DO IT THEN THEY SHOULD. IT IS JUST LIKE ERIC CLAPTON SAID THE REASON THAT THEY PUT CREAM BACK TOGETHER IS BECAUSE THEY COULD. WHICH MEANS IF YOU CAN COME TO WORK AND WORK THEN YOU ARE BLESSED BY GOD. FAN AND FRIEND OF DEEP PURPLE SINCE 1968.
January 15th, 2009 at 02:05Yeah, I can’t stand Coverdale these days..he’s a poser..and OMG his pathetic lyrics!!!If he couldn’t use “baby” “love” etc..he would have nothing! It always seemed laughable to hear him make fun of Dio’s “demons & castles” lyrics when his were as sad as they get! But I did love that MK111 line up back in the day. I’m surprised you liked Glover’s bass playing so much..He is steady, dependable, and his contributions to Purps IS VERY underestimated BUT, I’d take Hughes playing bass anyday over Glover. (I’m talking Hughes bass playing back in the late 70’s) But, I can’t be trusted with opinions on who’s better at what because I love allot of the jazz fusion bassists. Pastoriuos, Richard Bona, etc… I think Craig Gruber ‘s bass playing on the first Rainbow album was the best on any Rainbow effort.That Neil Murray from Whitesnake was good back in the day too. It probably wont happen but I thought itinteresting that Morse is doing that Kansas DVD.
January 18th, 2009 at 10:05