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Hear hear Ritchie, just a ‘slight’ difference to days gone by to todays drivel. Thanks for posting & now we can add Ritchie to the ‘Grumpy Old Mens’ club, officially. Talking of Grumpy Old Men I would love to see Rick Wakeman interview Ritchie, there would be plenty of ‘humour’ in that no doubt. Cheers.
Ritchie’s right, of course. But the blessing is that most of us were around when rock ruled. It was organic, mostly melodic and fresh. The thing is, it hasn’t completely died by any means. And because it’s been recorded, it will forevermore be around at the touch of a button or click of a mouse.
I don’t listen to classic rock on the radio – not only because of the incessant commercials – but because I don’t like to hear something so often than I become sick of it. It’s nice to be able to hear something anew that you haven’t heard in years or decades. Another way of enjoying the older music is to listen to deeper cuts on old albums or to some of the artists you didn’t pay as much attention to back in the day.
Like Ritchie, I think Rock’n’Roll was best in the 14-1500s, when those Fenders and Gibsons rang true and clear through the vast castle structures and peasants would – smallpox and the plague allowing – camp out for those love & peace festivals. Sooooo organic.
Well, there you have it, I already wrote months ago that Autumn likes Taylor. All-American girl then.
I think if you think of music as an art and you bring back some the great artists from the dead and show them what is called art nowadays they would say the same.
Music is tool for our hearing and seeing senses and that is it.
Now my problem lies with the fact that a musician has to play instruments of music but nowadays it the size of human assets that you are born with can sometimes make you the best musician. Now what has this got to do with music. I think that is a better approach.
Peace ✌️
I have this dream, that whilst Ritchie smoulders in his subterranean bar akin to some dormant volcano, he’s secretly recording one last rock album… one for the ages, with his influences laid bare… I’d like (nay) love that… you never know, one or two might make a radio playlist somewhere… that or he’s guessing on the next Taylor Swift single… actually – rather bizarrely I’d love that lol. Maybe she’ll cover High Ball Shooter ? Yeah I’m dreaming… ahem.
Back to reality, I’m enjoying hearing Ritchie’s tales… Clapton and Cream getting regular high praise… and why not.
Ouch, AndreA, I have a very distinct memory from ‘Hannibal’ of the Italian punishment for treason being quite severe, even drastic to the unaccustomed eye!
I really feel sorry for the kids of today , they have got nothing decent to listen to …I utterly despair.
Even the utter garbage that comes out today is just recycled samples from 80s etc
Ritchie is spot on …as usual !
One of my favourite things to do of an evening is to go onto You Tube and discover hidden gems from bygone days …I’ve recently discovered Curved Air ….don’t know a thing about them except, there is some sort of connection with Stewart Copeland from The Police .
This leeds down to bands like Family, Pretty Things etc …how lucky and blessed are my!?
In fact thanks To Gillans top bands ..I’ve discovered Susie Q by CCR …fabulous !
Meanwhile , today’s kids sample another Taylor Swift remix 😫
Bring on the band of angels from the great divide
I’ll never get to heaven so take me for a ride
Fruit on the tree is shaking, my mind is in a daze
I just want a taste of your love
And learn your wicked ways
… or, banish the thought, show something like patience for the processing of her queries! That is highly unfair and discouraging, perpetuating archaic male structures, you have to do better!
She’s a woman after all. Everything is all at once of equal unfiltered importance to her. 😇
How the female mind works, in all its bewildering wonderment:
Old people tend to think the world ends with them … ask me, I should know.
Of course that’s nonsense. Just because Ritchie thinks there’s no more decent music around it doesn’t have to be true. In fact there are LOTS of brillant musicians out there to discover. And you know what? It ist easier than ever before! You check them out on youtune or on spotiy and if you find something you like buy it on cd or vinyl. Yeah, vinyl is back aagain big time too.
Back when I was young most kids would listen to the Bay City Rollers or stuff like that. It’s not that they were all into Yes or DP or Weather Report! There has always been a majority that would just listen to mainstream radio and him along to it. While others would dig deeper. And those kids are around today as well. And there is plenty of wonderful musicof all kinds to explore. Just the other day I attended a show of an US band in a club whose members were into Frankie Miller and they even played two of his songs. And that ist just for the classic rock segment… Blues, Jazz, Rock’n’Roll ..you name it. It is out there and more than ever. And yes, there is no new Wish you were here, Led Zep IV, In Rock or Sticky Fingers. You know what? Because it has been done already.
No, he’s not, he’s a boring old fart/curmudgeon just like our dads were when judging our music. Older generations shouldn’t pass judgement on the music of younger generations, period, leave it to them.
And Ritchie’s music taste was – except for a very short period in the late 60s/early 70s when he was in tune with musical fashion for once – always very conservative, bordering on the reactionary. I mean just look at him, devoting the last three decades of his musical life to reenacting and cosplaying late medieval music. If that isn’t regression, I don’t know what is.
The rock and pop bands he has named over the years as finding his fancy have all been safe, established and middle of the road: ABBA, Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan (musically, Dylan did last something daring when he strapped on an electric guitar in the early 60s and shocked folkies), Blondie, Asia, Jethro Tull, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Johnny Winter …
The only time I have heard him mention liking something quirky/off the wall was when he professed his love for Carmen in his by now legendary Sept 1978 Guitar Player interview:
“Are there any other projects you’re involved in?”
“I haven’t wanted to do any other projects, but I’d like to do some work with the band Carmen. It’s flamenco style, but on rock. It’d be interesting to throw some wild solos in their stuff. I don’t get inspired by many bands, but they’re really interesting.”
And that band was indeed, in 1973, light years ahead of its time and absolutely categorization-defying. But Blackmore lauded them in an interview five years later (by which time Carmen had long split up, their music having met mostly bewilderment), his musical tastes were never especially current or cutting edge.
In line with the great words of our beloved Martin Luther king.
I have a dream that one day true musician will not be judged by the colour or length of hair or by their make up or the size of their external body parts but it will be judged by their true musical and vocal skills.
Peace ✌️
Other than that I of course agree with you. Music has changed, there is a greater influence of electronic sounds (but that was started in the 70s, even the Beatles already used synthesizers on some tracks in the 60s) and technology allows even more studio wizardry, but technology plays a greater role in all aspects of our daily lives or I wouldn’t be here typing this and you wouldn’t be able to read it everywhere in the world a few seconds later. Cream and Free playing electrified blues wasn’t the same as Mississippi Delta Blues of the 20s of the last century either. And if aging baby boomers don’t like some or most of it, then that is because it is not aimed at us. As it should be.
@24
Dear Uwe!
I know I’m not nearly as intelligent, wise, clever or astute as you and the rest of the gang in here. Never have I suggested I am! 🤓
And when you all start discussing specific topics regarding basses, guitars, amplifiers, plectrums, bandages and t-shirts, yes then I do tend to zoom out a bit, and my maternal instincts kick in and I think: awww the dear boys are having fun again 🥰
Actually I was certain you all talked about Rush (I shiver in terror thinking of that voice 🫨) and in my wildest imagination I couldn’t believe Roger Glover, my bassist-hero, in any way could be related musically to that person from Rush 😲
Well, live and learn 😁
I thank you for your kindness and patience with me, and now I will study the recipe for flæskesteg, as I have never in my life prepared such a dish before! 😝
@ 26- Blackmore is right Uwe & you know it, stop trying to justify a complete load of utter bollocks. You know what he means & it’s true, simple. Cheers.
when Ritchie says that “Eric started it all” he forgets to add “but I was more fundamental than him with the masterpieces I wrote for the following generations of rock musicians and listeners!!!”
#14 Kosh
your little big dream would be fantastic if it came true, but maybe you should tell Ritchie because I don’t think he even thought about it!
#25 Max
I think Ritchie is not referring to the many talented musicians who passionately make records and sell few of them, I think he is referring to the fact that there are no longer any great bands that achieve great, great success, that reach a large global audience as happened with the groups and soloists who dominated the charts in the 60s/70s/80s
@ 26 -” No, he’s not, he’s a boring old fart/curmudgeon just like our dads were when judging our music. Older generations shouldn’t pass judgement on the music of younger generations, period, leave it to them.” People can ‘pass judgement’ if they want to, it is their right to express an opinion. We all still listened to & followed the artists we enjoyed didn’t we? “I mean just look at him, devoting the last three decades of his musical life to reenacting and cosplaying late medieval music. If that isn’t regression, I don’t know what is” Of which you support & contribute to him continuing on being ‘regressive’. Who is the one being regressive Uwe? “The rock and pop bands he has named over the years as finding his fancy have all been safe, established and middle of the road: ABBA, Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan (musically, Dylan did last something daring when he strapped on an electric guitar in the early 60s and shocked folkies), Blondie, Asia, Jethro Tull, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Johnny Winter …” so what, your point is? Blackmore like anyone else is entitled to his opinion. There are plenty of others who comment in a very similar fashion in regards to this topic. We don’t need anyone to help us along the way, we see & hear what is out there & observe what is happening, it is the way of things unfortunately. Nothing cutting edge about it, in fact it is the opposite of that. Musical regression eh? Cheers.
I dunno Herr MacGregor, do I really listen to enough modern popular music to be able to pass informed judgement? I never listen to the radio, I don’t watch music shows on TV, a Spotify list is for me as arcane as an UFO, my iPhone has one stored song (BÖC’s Don’t Fear The Reaper, I wanted that as my ringtone, but that somehow didn’t work), I don’t buy cars that don’t feature a CD player, even my kids don’t really listen to modern pop music, when they visit us and play music from their iPhones more than 80% of it is music that is more than 20 years old, going back as far as the 60s (my daughter) or even the 20s/30s (my son with his penchant for authentic Mississippi Blues) of the last century. Yes, out of curiosity, I sometimes buy a Coldplay, Beyoncé or Taylor Swift CD, but these are in essence still traditional pop artists. The last gig I’ve been to of a (then) “contemporary” artist was Shakira with my then eleven year old daughter who wanted to see her in 2003, that seems like a long time ago (I’ll be turning grandpa soon) and Shakira is by now 47 (the gig was actually good, very hard rock-oriented and therefore going over the heads of most of the teenage girls in the audience).
So my exposure to modern pop is extremely limited and when I hear something by coincidence I mostly go, oh, how interesting, so that is how it sounds today! I realize that it is not aimed at me and don’t feel offended. I live in an essentially 70s rock bubble (the decade when I was a teenager, surprise!) with music from later eras liberally sprinkled in.
I tried to take a laissez-faire attitude like my dad did – born 1931, he liked Glenn Miller, James Last, Johnny Cash and Schlager, even 50s rock’n’roll was already beyond him. But he wouldn’t say a word if I had DP’s In Rock or Last Concert in Japan, Rainbow’s On Stage, Status Quo’s LIVE! or Judas Priest’s British Steel blaring over our living room stereo, but just sit there and read his magazine or book and sometimes even mumble something like “now that wasn’t that bad”. And he would also chauffeur me to Rainbow and Status Quo gigs when I didn’t yet have a driver’s license and patiently wait outside in the car. So I try to preserve some of that nonchalance.
He was way into his 70s when I visited him on a Sunday and he had the neighbors’ young boy in his early teens with him who was playing the most god-awful cookie-monster vocals Slipknot album over our living room stereo, trying to impress him with his freshly discovered favorite band (the kid was still learning the trumpet at the time). And my dad, who liked the kid, went along with it and so all three of us sat there listening to Slipknot (my first experience of them).
And after a while my dad deadpans to me: “That sounds like what you always used to listen to, right?” 😂 And for a second I thought about explaining the difference, but then thought better of it and just said: “Yes, kind of, very nice music.” To which the neighbors’ kid beamed: “My dad always says it’s just noise!!!” 🤣
I don’t need to knock today’s music of which I know little about to reassure me of my love for Deep Purple.
“… in my wildest imagination I couldn’t believe Roger Glover, my bassist-hero, in any way could be related musically to that person from Rush …”
Well, they just played the same type of bass for a while (actually also in the 70ies, both played Rickenbacker 4001 models) and if you were a professional bassist in the 80s/early 90s and could actually afford it, it was quite likely that you would at one point try out a Steinberger L2 just to hear what it’s like. But very few people stuck with playing them. Roger Glover especially has played many different bass types throughout his career, he was always searching for something: Fender, Rickenbacker, Gibson, Ovation, Hondo, Peavey, Steinberger, Ernie Ball Music Man, Vigier …
Other than that I’m not aware that Deep Purple’s and Rush’s paths crossed much. I do remember that in the early 80s Gary Moore with Little Ian on drums would open for Rush on US tours and that Little Ian lauded (rightfully) Neil Peart’s drumming capabilities. And Peart would later on return the favor and say Paicey was good. Which is not that surprising given that they were/are both avowed Buddy Rich fans and as such fruits swinging (pun laboriously intended) from the same tree.
Peart was never leaden or hamfisted, I liked that about him. He was a very delicate, nimble and elegant drummer, yet powerful, but not mindlessly so. Among the three Rush instrumentalists always my favorite, even ahead of Geddy Lee (for whatever reason, Alex Lifeson’s guitar playing, skillful as it was, never really spoke with me emotionally).
Like Uwe I am far from knowing an awful lot about today’s music. What I do know is: There has always been ghood music and there has always been music, that was just the flavour of the week. Something to hum along to, maybe dance to and than move on to the next big thing. (ike Bay City Rollers, Uwe. I get your drift of finding a little pleasure in acting unpredictable tastewise but that was stretching things a bitz far for my liking … not even girls that wanted to be taken serious listened to them! Sweet or Smokie was as far as you were allowed to succumb to guilty pleasures)
Fla76, yes, that may be the case but chart success is not what it’s all about. Rock music isn’t as defining for a generation as it used to be. Like Blues or Jazz for example it has now its place among music styles that will stay – but not necessarily in the charts that is.
But the albums put out today are as good as those albums in the 60s or 70s – they just don’t sell that much. Therefore the music is still there if you look for it – which Ritchie doesn’t do obviously.
My sons make me listen to a lot of music, new music as well and while one of them shares a similiar taste in many aspect the other one tends to listen to Hip Hop. I isn’t my cup of tea and never will be – but listening to Kayne West was eyeopening for me. Now here#s something really interesting! No, it is not to my tastes and no, it is not Rock music – but it sure has something to it and it may well be as new and disturbing and groundbreaking as, say, Zappa was way back when.
Fla76, you do have a point, the era of bands – a collective of like-minded musicians who all have some influence on the music being played – seems to be indeed over. (I don’t call a K-pop boy band a ‘band’ in that sense.) And it has been for a while.
The last two decades or so have very much seen the emergence of the solo artist to transport music. I think there are a couple of reasons for that:
– The creation of music these days needs less (wo)manpower. If in the 60s you wanted to play live, you needed to form a band with your buddies. But any kid today can create music via home recording, Pro Tools, drum machines, pre-recorded beats, synths, digital components and – we’re only at the beginning of this – AI without ever leaving the house of his parents. The DJ creating new music from components is an archetype of that. It’s not like this didn’t exist before – Mike Oldfield and Tom Scholz of Boston were both essentially home recorders with a high affinity for the then available technology -, but it has now become the industry standard.
– Bands are risky business and more difficult to manage + market. When a solo artist is in an artistic rut, (s)he will reinvent her-/himself, hoping to carry most of her/his bands with the change; if bands hit a creative brick wall, that often means breakup as everyone is pulling into different directions. And following a breakup, things aren’t often the same, just look at what happen artistically and commercially once the Coverdale-Sykes tandem in the Purple Family broke up. That wouldn’t have happened had John Sykes had the voice of David Coverdale or if David Coverdale been as good a guitarist as John Sykes – if their respective abilities had been joined in one person. I very much have a preference for bands over solo artists, I prefer The Beatles to anything done by George/John/Paul/Ringo solo, DP over Rainbow, Police over Sting, Cream over Eric Clapton, Genesis over Phil Collins or Peter Gabriel etc. The need to compromise and leave comfort zones as a musician in a band does more good than it does harm to the end product IMHO.
– Media interest and promotion focuses on solo artists these days. Just look at all those talent and popularity shows that never feature any bands, but individuals waiting to be “discovered”. I guess it’s part of the general sociological trend for individualism in Western Societies.
And we as baby boomers have no one else to blame but ourselves for this, it’s our children and grandchildren who have become like this in a world we shaped for them.
@ 35 – Different strokes for different folks I guess is a good way to look at it. My father being a radio announcer & managing the local record store was exposed a fair bit to the changes in music throughout the 1950’s, 60’s & into the 70’s. He was aware of the Concerto For Group & Orchestra album. He commented once that he liked what he had heard of it & was impressed by the classical elements in what he had heard in other earlier DP music. He would not have liked In Rock though for obvious reasons. However we didn’t really ever talk about the differences in music & he only ever objected to the loudness of what we sometimes played our music at. Anyway we were lucky to be around at that time & yes we probably have, well some of us, become ‘grumpy old men’ ha ha ha. Well looking at it in that humorous way & possibly at other times a little more seriously. I also regress. I hear enough of ‘modern’ music in various guises & it is much more un realistic in many ways, fake even in certain aspects. I Robot indeed. Do I live in the past, in that aspect I do indeed like so many others. We were spoilt, one way of looking at it & I am certainly glad I was part of that. I do notice a hell of a lot of comments on the ‘tube’ from younger people & they really like older popular music, much more than their own modern era. More genuine, more melodic & better delivery all round etc etc. Just not enough of them in todays world to please the masses & the record company gits. Cheers.
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Ohhh man! I’m the female edition of Ritchie 😂
I agree wholeheartedly with his point of view regarding the modern music scene!
Have never thought this day would arrive! But I have to say this:
Ritchie, I will go out, buy myself a hat and I will lift my hat for you in deepest respect 🫡
December 1st, 2024 at 21:22Hear hear Ritchie, just a ‘slight’ difference to days gone by to todays drivel. Thanks for posting & now we can add Ritchie to the ‘Grumpy Old Mens’ club, officially. Talking of Grumpy Old Men I would love to see Rick Wakeman interview Ritchie, there would be plenty of ‘humour’ in that no doubt. Cheers.
December 1st, 2024 at 21:56Ritchie’s right, of course. But the blessing is that most of us were around when rock ruled. It was organic, mostly melodic and fresh. The thing is, it hasn’t completely died by any means. And because it’s been recorded, it will forevermore be around at the touch of a button or click of a mouse.
December 1st, 2024 at 22:02I don’t listen to classic rock on the radio – not only because of the incessant commercials – but because I don’t like to hear something so often than I become sick of it. It’s nice to be able to hear something anew that you haven’t heard in years or decades. Another way of enjoying the older music is to listen to deeper cuts on old albums or to some of the artists you didn’t pay as much attention to back in the day.
I can definitely relate to Ritchie. Cream, Blind Faith, Derek and the Dominos, etc. You can’t go wrong with it.
December 2nd, 2024 at 00:03Like Ritchie, I think Rock’n’Roll was best in the 14-1500s, when those Fenders and Gibsons rang true and clear through the vast castle structures and peasants would – smallpox and the plague allowing – camp out for those love & peace festivals. Sooooo organic.
Well, there you have it, I already wrote months ago that Autumn likes Taylor. All-American girl then.
December 2nd, 2024 at 00:11Always a good idea to listen to Elvis Presley.
You ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog
December 2nd, 2024 at 06:28Cryin’ all the time
You ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog
Cryin’ all the time
I think if you think of music as an art and you bring back some the great artists from the dead and show them what is called art nowadays they would say the same.
December 2nd, 2024 at 07:00Music is tool for our hearing and seeing senses and that is it.
Now my problem lies with the fact that a musician has to play instruments of music but nowadays it the size of human assets that you are born with can sometimes make you the best musician. Now what has this got to do with music. I think that is a better approach.
Peace ✌️
“Always a good idea to listen to Elvis Presley.”
Well Tony, it was nice knowing you! As I innocently type, our RNH (resident Nordic heks) is already in her occult preparations regarding you …
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It’s witchcraft …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjE9AvdnWK0
PS: Of course, an option would be to well-meaningly recondition Karin a little and let her find her true self …
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December 2nd, 2024 at 08:36“I’d rather hear talk radio about who’s the latest president” ….un-freakin’ believable.
December 2nd, 2024 at 13:18@8
Know what Uwe?
I am honoured you spend so much time concentrating on me and my doings 🤣🤣
As I’ve told you several times, the only needles I use is as a acupuncturist ☺️
And just to make sure:
December 2nd, 2024 at 17:13I can’t stand that butter-tenor, EP!
But I surely appreciate the free will, as well as the free speech 😂
“But I surely appreciate the free will …”
Oh dear, did they make you listen to Rush again? “I will choose a path that’s clear, I will choose freewill …”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6pn8O7nXKY
December 2nd, 2024 at 17:42I never listen to
December 2nd, 2024 at 17:44(a rock )traitor. .
Acupuncture, now that rings a bell!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y8nzum9c8M
December 2nd, 2024 at 18:47I have this dream, that whilst Ritchie smoulders in his subterranean bar akin to some dormant volcano, he’s secretly recording one last rock album… one for the ages, with his influences laid bare… I’d like (nay) love that… you never know, one or two might make a radio playlist somewhere… that or he’s guessing on the next Taylor Swift single… actually – rather bizarrely I’d love that lol. Maybe she’ll cover High Ball Shooter ? Yeah I’m dreaming… ahem.
Back to reality, I’m enjoying hearing Ritchie’s tales… Clapton and Cream getting regular high praise… and why not.
December 2nd, 2024 at 20:09Ouch, AndreA, I have a very distinct memory from ‘Hannibal’ of the Italian punishment for treason being quite severe, even drastic to the unaccustomed eye!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLVptmb3Pg&t=208s
‘Spudellare’, is it?
December 2nd, 2024 at 20:50Some people just don’t get Blackmore, even after all these years. Ho Hum. Cheers.
December 2nd, 2024 at 21:11@11
December 2nd, 2024 at 21:46Oh dear, yes 😉😄
@13
So you really don’t know the Chinese ancient art of acupuncture 📌📌
And will you please explain to me what that strange bass is, Roger is playing in the great song “She took my breath away”?
December 2nd, 2024 at 21:51P L E A S E!
I really feel sorry for the kids of today , they have got nothing decent to listen to …I utterly despair.
December 2nd, 2024 at 22:43Even the utter garbage that comes out today is just recycled samples from 80s etc
Ritchie is spot on …as usual !
One of my favourite things to do of an evening is to go onto You Tube and discover hidden gems from bygone days …I’ve recently discovered Curved Air ….don’t know a thing about them except, there is some sort of connection with Stewart Copeland from The Police .
This leeds down to bands like Family, Pretty Things etc …how lucky and blessed are my!?
In fact thanks To Gillans top bands ..I’ve discovered Susie Q by CCR …fabulous !
Meanwhile , today’s kids sample another Taylor Swift remix 😫
He’s right, you know.
December 3rd, 2024 at 01:02@ 8
Wicked ways …..oooooh thats a long time ago…….
Bring on the band of angels from the great divide
December 3rd, 2024 at 07:03I’ll never get to heaven so take me for a ride
Fruit on the tree is shaking, my mind is in a daze
I just want a taste of your love
And learn your wicked ways
@18: It’s a Steinberger, as explained several times on the other page where you asked. 🙂
https://www.steinberger.com/
December 3rd, 2024 at 07:07@21
December 3rd, 2024 at 07:38I’m blushing ☺️
Thanks Svante, sorry I haven’t been attentive to the explanations 🙃
PUBLIC NOTICE FROM THE RESIDENT EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES OFFICER/GLEICHSTELLUNGSBEAUFTRAGTER:
But Svante, you can’t expect Karin to rigidly stick to topics, research in a concentrated fashion without looking left or right …
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… or, banish the thought, show something like patience for the processing of her queries! That is highly unfair and discouraging, perpetuating archaic male structures, you have to do better!
She’s a woman after all. Everything is all at once of equal unfiltered importance to her. 😇
How the female mind works, in all its bewildering wonderment:
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In comparison, the male mind is a dour affair:
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December 3rd, 2024 at 07:40Old people tend to think the world ends with them … ask me, I should know.
Of course that’s nonsense. Just because Ritchie thinks there’s no more decent music around it doesn’t have to be true. In fact there are LOTS of brillant musicians out there to discover. And you know what? It ist easier than ever before! You check them out on youtune or on spotiy and if you find something you like buy it on cd or vinyl. Yeah, vinyl is back aagain big time too.
Back when I was young most kids would listen to the Bay City Rollers or stuff like that. It’s not that they were all into Yes or DP or Weather Report! There has always been a majority that would just listen to mainstream radio and him along to it. While others would dig deeper. And those kids are around today as well. And there is plenty of wonderful musicof all kinds to explore. Just the other day I attended a show of an US band in a club whose members were into Frankie Miller and they even played two of his songs. And that ist just for the classic rock segment… Blues, Jazz, Rock’n’Roll ..you name it. It is out there and more than ever. And yes, there is no new Wish you were here, Led Zep IV, In Rock or Sticky Fingers. You know what? Because it has been done already.
December 3rd, 2024 at 08:03“He’s right, you know.”
No, he’s not, he’s a boring old fart/curmudgeon just like our dads were when judging our music. Older generations shouldn’t pass judgement on the music of younger generations, period, leave it to them.
And Ritchie’s music taste was – except for a very short period in the late 60s/early 70s when he was in tune with musical fashion for once – always very conservative, bordering on the reactionary. I mean just look at him, devoting the last three decades of his musical life to reenacting and cosplaying late medieval music. If that isn’t regression, I don’t know what is.
The rock and pop bands he has named over the years as finding his fancy have all been safe, established and middle of the road: ABBA, Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan (musically, Dylan did last something daring when he strapped on an electric guitar in the early 60s and shocked folkies), Blondie, Asia, Jethro Tull, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Johnny Winter …
The only time I have heard him mention liking something quirky/off the wall was when he professed his love for Carmen in his by now legendary Sept 1978 Guitar Player interview:
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https://www.thehighwaystar.com/interviews/blackmore/guitarplayer/guitarplay5.html
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“Are there any other projects you’re involved in?”
“I haven’t wanted to do any other projects, but I’d like to do some work with the band Carmen. It’s flamenco style, but on rock. It’d be interesting to throw some wild solos in their stuff. I don’t get inspired by many bands, but they’re really interesting.”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQFq_2OyG60
And that band was indeed, in 1973, light years ahead of its time and absolutely categorization-defying. But Blackmore lauded them in an interview five years later (by which time Carmen had long split up, their music having met mostly bewilderment), his musical tastes were never especially current or cutting edge.
December 3rd, 2024 at 08:26@ 15 Uwe
😅
We say “sbudellare”.
Anyway, I prefer “I’ ll rip your spine out!” 🔪
December 3rd, 2024 at 10:07In line with the great words of our beloved Martin Luther king.
December 3rd, 2024 at 16:36I have a dream that one day true musician will not be judged by the colour or length of hair or by their make up or the size of their external body parts but it will be judged by their true musical and vocal skills.
Peace ✌️
“Thanks Svante, sorry I haven’t been attentive to the explanations …”
That’s ok, Karin, ever since adolescence I’ve been largely ignored by women. You do get used to it.
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Hey Max, what was wrong with liking the Bay City Rollers?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4SUsAsX_OI
I always thought them pleasant enough power pop.
Other than that I of course agree with you. Music has changed, there is a greater influence of electronic sounds (but that was started in the 70s, even the Beatles already used synthesizers on some tracks in the 60s) and technology allows even more studio wizardry, but technology plays a greater role in all aspects of our daily lives or I wouldn’t be here typing this and you wouldn’t be able to read it everywhere in the world a few seconds later. Cream and Free playing electrified blues wasn’t the same as Mississippi Delta Blues of the 20s of the last century either. And if aging baby boomers don’t like some or most of it, then that is because it is not aimed at us. As it should be.
December 3rd, 2024 at 17:52@24
Dear Uwe!
I know I’m not nearly as intelligent, wise, clever or astute as you and the rest of the gang in here. Never have I suggested I am! 🤓
And when you all start discussing specific topics regarding basses, guitars, amplifiers, plectrums, bandages and t-shirts, yes then I do tend to zoom out a bit, and my maternal instincts kick in and I think: awww the dear boys are having fun again 🥰
Actually I was certain you all talked about Rush (I shiver in terror thinking of that voice 🫨) and in my wildest imagination I couldn’t believe Roger Glover, my bassist-hero, in any way could be related musically to that person from Rush 😲
Well, live and learn 😁
I thank you for your kindness and patience with me, and now I will study the recipe for flæskesteg, as I have never in my life prepared such a dish before! 😝
December 3rd, 2024 at 18:34@ 26- Blackmore is right Uwe & you know it, stop trying to justify a complete load of utter bollocks. You know what he means & it’s true, simple. Cheers.
December 3rd, 2024 at 20:30@31
December 3rd, 2024 at 22:03I agree MacGregor 👏🏼
when Ritchie says that “Eric started it all” he forgets to add “but I was more fundamental than him with the masterpieces I wrote for the following generations of rock musicians and listeners!!!”
#14 Kosh
your little big dream would be fantastic if it came true, but maybe you should tell Ritchie because I don’t think he even thought about it!
#25 Max
December 3rd, 2024 at 23:35I think Ritchie is not referring to the many talented musicians who passionately make records and sell few of them, I think he is referring to the fact that there are no longer any great bands that achieve great, great success, that reach a large global audience as happened with the groups and soloists who dominated the charts in the 60s/70s/80s
@ 26 -” No, he’s not, he’s a boring old fart/curmudgeon just like our dads were when judging our music. Older generations shouldn’t pass judgement on the music of younger generations, period, leave it to them.” People can ‘pass judgement’ if they want to, it is their right to express an opinion. We all still listened to & followed the artists we enjoyed didn’t we? “I mean just look at him, devoting the last three decades of his musical life to reenacting and cosplaying late medieval music. If that isn’t regression, I don’t know what is” Of which you support & contribute to him continuing on being ‘regressive’. Who is the one being regressive Uwe? “The rock and pop bands he has named over the years as finding his fancy have all been safe, established and middle of the road: ABBA, Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan (musically, Dylan did last something daring when he strapped on an electric guitar in the early 60s and shocked folkies), Blondie, Asia, Jethro Tull, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Johnny Winter …” so what, your point is? Blackmore like anyone else is entitled to his opinion. There are plenty of others who comment in a very similar fashion in regards to this topic. We don’t need anyone to help us along the way, we see & hear what is out there & observe what is happening, it is the way of things unfortunately. Nothing cutting edge about it, in fact it is the opposite of that. Musical regression eh? Cheers.
December 4th, 2024 at 02:54I dunno Herr MacGregor, do I really listen to enough modern popular music to be able to pass informed judgement? I never listen to the radio, I don’t watch music shows on TV, a Spotify list is for me as arcane as an UFO, my iPhone has one stored song (BÖC’s Don’t Fear The Reaper, I wanted that as my ringtone, but that somehow didn’t work), I don’t buy cars that don’t feature a CD player, even my kids don’t really listen to modern pop music, when they visit us and play music from their iPhones more than 80% of it is music that is more than 20 years old, going back as far as the 60s (my daughter) or even the 20s/30s (my son with his penchant for authentic Mississippi Blues) of the last century. Yes, out of curiosity, I sometimes buy a Coldplay, Beyoncé or Taylor Swift CD, but these are in essence still traditional pop artists. The last gig I’ve been to of a (then) “contemporary” artist was Shakira with my then eleven year old daughter who wanted to see her in 2003, that seems like a long time ago (I’ll be turning grandpa soon) and Shakira is by now 47 (the gig was actually good, very hard rock-oriented and therefore going over the heads of most of the teenage girls in the audience).
So my exposure to modern pop is extremely limited and when I hear something by coincidence I mostly go, oh, how interesting, so that is how it sounds today! I realize that it is not aimed at me and don’t feel offended. I live in an essentially 70s rock bubble (the decade when I was a teenager, surprise!) with music from later eras liberally sprinkled in.
I tried to take a laissez-faire attitude like my dad did – born 1931, he liked Glenn Miller, James Last, Johnny Cash and Schlager, even 50s rock’n’roll was already beyond him. But he wouldn’t say a word if I had DP’s In Rock or Last Concert in Japan, Rainbow’s On Stage, Status Quo’s LIVE! or Judas Priest’s British Steel blaring over our living room stereo, but just sit there and read his magazine or book and sometimes even mumble something like “now that wasn’t that bad”. And he would also chauffeur me to Rainbow and Status Quo gigs when I didn’t yet have a driver’s license and patiently wait outside in the car. So I try to preserve some of that nonchalance.
He was way into his 70s when I visited him on a Sunday and he had the neighbors’ young boy in his early teens with him who was playing the most god-awful cookie-monster vocals Slipknot album over our living room stereo, trying to impress him with his freshly discovered favorite band (the kid was still learning the trumpet at the time). And my dad, who liked the kid, went along with it and so all three of us sat there listening to Slipknot (my first experience of them).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TokaT9MPLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rog8XY8oxg
And after a while my dad deadpans to me: “That sounds like what you always used to listen to, right?” 😂 And for a second I thought about explaining the difference, but then thought better of it and just said: “Yes, kind of, very nice music.” To which the neighbors’ kid beamed: “My dad always says it’s just noise!!!” 🤣
I don’t need to knock today’s music of which I know little about to reassure me of my love for Deep Purple.
December 4th, 2024 at 03:30“… in my wildest imagination I couldn’t believe Roger Glover, my bassist-hero, in any way could be related musically to that person from Rush …”
Well, they just played the same type of bass for a while (actually also in the 70ies, both played Rickenbacker 4001 models) and if you were a professional bassist in the 80s/early 90s and could actually afford it, it was quite likely that you would at one point try out a Steinberger L2 just to hear what it’s like. But very few people stuck with playing them. Roger Glover especially has played many different bass types throughout his career, he was always searching for something: Fender, Rickenbacker, Gibson, Ovation, Hondo, Peavey, Steinberger, Ernie Ball Music Man, Vigier …
Other than that I’m not aware that Deep Purple’s and Rush’s paths crossed much. I do remember that in the early 80s Gary Moore with Little Ian on drums would open for Rush on US tours and that Little Ian lauded (rightfully) Neil Peart’s drumming capabilities. And Peart would later on return the favor and say Paicey was good. Which is not that surprising given that they were/are both avowed Buddy Rich fans and as such fruits swinging (pun laboriously intended) from the same tree.
Peart was never leaden or hamfisted, I liked that about him. He was a very delicate, nimble and elegant drummer, yet powerful, but not mindlessly so. Among the three Rush instrumentalists always my favorite, even ahead of Geddy Lee (for whatever reason, Alex Lifeson’s guitar playing, skillful as it was, never really spoke with me emotionally).
December 4th, 2024 at 04:18Like Uwe I am far from knowing an awful lot about today’s music. What I do know is: There has always been ghood music and there has always been music, that was just the flavour of the week. Something to hum along to, maybe dance to and than move on to the next big thing. (ike Bay City Rollers, Uwe. I get your drift of finding a little pleasure in acting unpredictable tastewise but that was stretching things a bitz far for my liking … not even girls that wanted to be taken serious listened to them! Sweet or Smokie was as far as you were allowed to succumb to guilty pleasures)
Fla76, yes, that may be the case but chart success is not what it’s all about. Rock music isn’t as defining for a generation as it used to be. Like Blues or Jazz for example it has now its place among music styles that will stay – but not necessarily in the charts that is.
But the albums put out today are as good as those albums in the 60s or 70s – they just don’t sell that much. Therefore the music is still there if you look for it – which Ritchie doesn’t do obviously.
My sons make me listen to a lot of music, new music as well and while one of them shares a similiar taste in many aspect the other one tends to listen to Hip Hop. I isn’t my cup of tea and never will be – but listening to Kayne West was eyeopening for me. Now here#s something really interesting! No, it is not to my tastes and no, it is not Rock music – but it sure has something to it and it may well be as new and disturbing and groundbreaking as, say, Zappa was way back when.
December 4th, 2024 at 07:31@36
I read it all without zooming out 😉
Spøg til side:
Ian Paice was an opening act for Rush!
That’ll be the day….
https://youtu.be/9mDGcxbAusg?si=br0PvNOpkpF5MWoM
Actually I had no idea so many different basses exist!
What make you chose to play the bass?
December 4th, 2024 at 08:07Fla76, you do have a point, the era of bands – a collective of like-minded musicians who all have some influence on the music being played – seems to be indeed over. (I don’t call a K-pop boy band a ‘band’ in that sense.) And it has been for a while.
The last two decades or so have very much seen the emergence of the solo artist to transport music. I think there are a couple of reasons for that:
– The creation of music these days needs less (wo)manpower. If in the 60s you wanted to play live, you needed to form a band with your buddies. But any kid today can create music via home recording, Pro Tools, drum machines, pre-recorded beats, synths, digital components and – we’re only at the beginning of this – AI without ever leaving the house of his parents. The DJ creating new music from components is an archetype of that. It’s not like this didn’t exist before – Mike Oldfield and Tom Scholz of Boston were both essentially home recorders with a high affinity for the then available technology -, but it has now become the industry standard.
– Bands are risky business and more difficult to manage + market. When a solo artist is in an artistic rut, (s)he will reinvent her-/himself, hoping to carry most of her/his bands with the change; if bands hit a creative brick wall, that often means breakup as everyone is pulling into different directions. And following a breakup, things aren’t often the same, just look at what happen artistically and commercially once the Coverdale-Sykes tandem in the Purple Family broke up. That wouldn’t have happened had John Sykes had the voice of David Coverdale or if David Coverdale been as good a guitarist as John Sykes – if their respective abilities had been joined in one person. I very much have a preference for bands over solo artists, I prefer The Beatles to anything done by George/John/Paul/Ringo solo, DP over Rainbow, Police over Sting, Cream over Eric Clapton, Genesis over Phil Collins or Peter Gabriel etc. The need to compromise and leave comfort zones as a musician in a band does more good than it does harm to the end product IMHO.
– Media interest and promotion focuses on solo artists these days. Just look at all those talent and popularity shows that never feature any bands, but individuals waiting to be “discovered”. I guess it’s part of the general sociological trend for individualism in Western Societies.
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And we as baby boomers have no one else to blame but ourselves for this, it’s our children and grandchildren who have become like this in a world we shaped for them.
December 4th, 2024 at 08:29@ 35 – Different strokes for different folks I guess is a good way to look at it. My father being a radio announcer & managing the local record store was exposed a fair bit to the changes in music throughout the 1950’s, 60’s & into the 70’s. He was aware of the Concerto For Group & Orchestra album. He commented once that he liked what he had heard of it & was impressed by the classical elements in what he had heard in other earlier DP music. He would not have liked In Rock though for obvious reasons. However we didn’t really ever talk about the differences in music & he only ever objected to the loudness of what we sometimes played our music at. Anyway we were lucky to be around at that time & yes we probably have, well some of us, become ‘grumpy old men’ ha ha ha. Well looking at it in that humorous way & possibly at other times a little more seriously. I also regress. I hear enough of ‘modern’ music in various guises & it is much more un realistic in many ways, fake even in certain aspects. I Robot indeed. Do I live in the past, in that aspect I do indeed like so many others. We were spoilt, one way of looking at it & I am certainly glad I was part of that. I do notice a hell of a lot of comments on the ‘tube’ from younger people & they really like older popular music, much more than their own modern era. More genuine, more melodic & better delivery all round etc etc. Just not enough of them in todays world to please the masses & the record company gits. Cheers.
December 4th, 2024 at 09:04